In 1985 at a Breed Survey in Colorado, Walter Martin did a lecture that was taped by Leerburg and is available on Video. If this connection works you can view it here... http://leerburg.com/flix/videodesc.php?idh3 I bought the tape quite a few years ago and it gives much information on his thoughts and breeding. Theresa Msg: #4 in digest From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:06:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: discussion about "roached"backs In a message dated 12/17/11 2:28:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, janandmort@xxxxxxx writes: We must introduce new bloodlines to improve health and vigor as well as improve those anatomical problems that exist here. The 2 standards--the FCI and the AKC are very similar and it is only the interpretation by the individual that is different.<< I am glad Morton was able to give us the full history. I can only repeat what I see and what I am told. I am surprised after reading the real history that Martin did try to justify the roach to me. Maybe I misunderstood him, I sure wasn't going to argue. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================