My grandparents coming over from Austria and a family all German I can know the German's will not get rid of their best GSD's. If you look at it though what breeder would sell the best even for that great some of money. That great sire or dam can not always be replaced since not every dog can reproduce themselves only the prepotent one can. The cost of $20,000 is not the price of a top GSD in Germany, take a look at what Troll, Bernd, Axel, etc. costed years ago. I grew up around GSD's of family and friends but never owned one until just over 21 years ago. I have researched the GSD breed all my life obtaining all books, magazines, German and American. Genetics does repeat itself and the prepotent GSD's can reproduce themselves years later. I took up being a horse breeder over 41 years ago instead of dogs since I am a person that gets way too attached to their puppies. I quit breeding horses when the economy got uncertain since I never wanted any of my horses to end up in a bad home and when I sold one would take it back if necessary. I take breeding a animal as a lifetime commitment as I am sure most on this list do. I know there are those that will breed 1 Champion to another to expect a Champion but it does not work that way as I am sure you and everyone here knows. If a person does research they will find out there are lots of GSD's out there but they are in pet homes more than they are Champions. Doesn't matter if they are in America or Germany not every GSD as any breeder knows is show protential. You can also add that when a GSD places at a show it is just a judges opinion for that day. When a breeder feels a dog should go to a pet home does not mean that dog should not be able to be a special dog. Every dog I have ever bought needed to have correct conformation, temperament, and match up to what I wanted in a dog. I grew up with the GSD looking different than it does today either in Germany or America. I have my favorite GSD bloodlines as does everyone else but I need that dog in my GSD or I will not purchase them. I do not know about others but I do wish people would not say that a dog belongs in a pet home if they don't believe they can place at a dog show. Yes, showing is important to some and I showed horses for a good many years but never believed when I sold a horse it was not a great horse. I know a horse might be different but like a dog they have their place in life with the right person. I made sure when I sold a foal they matched the person's personality and connected. The same with a dog I would never buy one unless I felt a connection to them, as I did with the few dogs I was a breeder of in the past to find the right home for them. Theresa From: ELG440@xxxxxxx Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:03:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: There is no place like home In a message dated 12/15/11 3:33:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes: I know even today a few breeders still do use this formula but it still seems to make sense that it worked years ago why not today. I do know that in the 40s and even in the 50s some of the great German dogs were sent to America to protect the breed. Lately some of what is being sold to Americans is a shame. I have had to sue over some of the "great" dogs that people have purchased. There are dogs being sold from Germany for $20,000 that I would not want to even put in a pet home. I am not saying everyone is dishonest, but if there are Americans willing to pay it, why would not someone take the money and laugh all the way to the bank. Also, the Germans have limited their breed lines too. They can't breed out of the SV registry, and so they can't come to America to improve what they need. Instead some of us try to breed to their lines, and often find a real problem. The few good ones that were bred seldom produce in the next generation. The best of the German lines are not being sent to America. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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