I to agree the right day is the best to breed .I only smeared years ago with one bitch.That is the only time I did it and never again.Out of 13 yrs that's the only time one of mine did not conceive .I just had a litter of 9 8 living and bred just once day 14 .I feel very fortunate when I hear of all the tests and so on done on so many bitches .But I do try to do 2 breedings with a day inbetween.I think they will let you know when they are ready.But I also have never had one that had a silient heat either . Sooooooo feeling lucky here in Maine right now Jan ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================