[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #245
- From: "Nancy Harper" <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:55:16 -0500
Barb,
Great description and EXACTLY what makes the great ones.
Nancy
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From: "Barbara Lee WILLIAMS" <santanagsd1954@xxxxxxx>
To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "showgsd-l digest users"
<Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: showgsd-l Digest V1 #245
BILL AND JIM: THAT IS ONE REASON LONG TIME AGO JUDGES AND SOME OF US
OLD FARTS THAT ARE LEFT, LOVE TO WATCH THE DOGS WALK... NOT PLODDING ALONG ,
BUT AT A DETERMINED WALK...YOU CAN SEE THE PROMISE OF INHERENT POWER IN THAT
HINDQUARTER , AND THEY MOVE WITH A GREAT SPRING TO THAT HINDQUARTER THAT
PROPELS THEM FORWARD, EVEN AT A WALK.. LIKE A 'BIG CAT' STALKING THEIR
PREY...THEN WHEN THEY KICK IT IN HIGH GEAR, THAT HINDQUARTER DELIVERS ALL
THAT PROMISE AND THE POWER OF IT IS SENT LIKE A ROCKET, THRU THE STRONG
LOIN AND BACK , INTO THE FOREQUARTER , THAT OPENS UP FROM THE SHOULDER,
AND EXTENDS FURTHER AND FURTHER WITH NO LIFT , AND FLAT TO THE GROUND WITH
EVERY STRONGER MORE POWERFUL THRUST OF THAT HINDQUARTER... WHEN IT IS
PERFORMED, THE FLYING TROT, AS INTENDED, IT SENDS CHILLS UP YOUR SPINE...
IT IS EFFORTLESS AND POWERFUL AND SEPARATES THE TRUE ATHLETES OF THE
BREED...JMO BARB WILLIAMS
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: showgsd-l Digest V1 #245
showgsd-l Digest Wed, 19 Dec 2007 Volume: 01 Issue: 245
In This Issue:
#1: From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
#2: From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
#3: From: sheila lieberman
<dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: still time entries for January in Florida Treasure Coast
#4: From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Microchips cause cancer... read about it
#5: From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: more about rabies and vaccinations......
#6: From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: The Way We Were
#7: From: James Barnhart
<jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jim@hiddenforestgermanshepherds.
com>>
Subject: Re: The Way We Were
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Msg: #1 in digest
From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:36:57 -0500
Me, too! Isn't it wonderful? No matter how much you know, there's always
someone who knows more....
there are a lot of things I know but I don't know why they happen...this
kind of discussion is just the BEST!
Peggy
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From: "Kris Kudel"
<vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:vomkristallaugen@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx<mailto:Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx>>;
<irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:irrenhaus4@xxxxxxxxxxx>>; "Peggy"
<pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Cc: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
>I just want to say thank you. I have been reading this subject since it
>began and I am learning a good bit from it. I will keep reading
>
> Kris Kudel
> Kamelot
> Shepherds http://kamelotshepherds.com<http://kamelotshepherds.com/>
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Msg: #2 in digest
From: <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: Shoulders and shoulder layback in puppies
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:47:45 -0500
In a message dated 12/19/2007 1:56:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
but you CAN tell shoulder assembly and
length on a newborn pup or colt. These ratios are unchanging. If a
puppy
or colt has a short upper arm at birth, or straight shoulder, it will
remain so. Croups change, shoulders are constant.
===========================================
How about the prosternum? I've seen so many pups, from the age of 5 to 12
weeks, who look as if they have little or no prosternum.
I know a good prosternum is dictated by correct shoulder layback and the
shape and placement of the ribcage. So, can a young puppy, who looks as
though he/she has little or prosternum, develop a correct prosternum as
he/she ages?
Thanks in advance for answering my question.
Paulette McGuirt, GSDCA Member
Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam
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Msg: #3 in digest
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:54:18 -0800 (PST)
From: sheila lieberman <dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: still time entries for January in Florida Treasure Coast
COME ON!!!!!!! You wait till the last second and you just make more
stress. Enter now, enter tomorrow, but don't wait longer. Entries close
Saturday!!!!!! Time is almost up.
There are 3 clubs with 6 shows and a temperament test, and more fun than
we deserve, so hurry up and reduce stress by entering now.
sheila
almanya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:almanya@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
There is still time to get your entries in
Treasure Coast German Shepherd Dog Club
Tuesday Jan. 8th 2008 Doris Farrell
Wednesday Jan. 9th 2008 Rita Sandell
online entries accepted and must accompany paypal payment at:
http://almanyagsd.pages.web.com/tcgsdc/id15.html<http://almanyagsd.pages.web.com/tcgsdc/id15.html>
show secretary:
Murat Ahman
PO BOX 72
Palm City, Fl. 34990
if you need any other info just ask...........
AMY SAFDIR
Almanya Shepherds
www.almanyagsd.com<http://www.almanyagsd.com/>
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Msg: #4 in digest
From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Microchips cause cancer... read about it
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:03:11 -0500
It is no longer just lab mice or dogs and cats. With FDA approval,
Verichip is now injecting diabetic patients, yes, that's right, humans -
with the same possible results. This is not just about our pets, it is
about us!!
http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/DogCare/0709.Microchip-Causes-Tumors.htm<http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/DogCare/0709.Microchip-Causes-Tumors.htm>
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Msg: #5 in digest
From: "Peggy" <pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: more about rabies and vaccinations......
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:18:52 -0500
Veterinarians derive major income from booster shot visits. Despite the
reluctantly agreed upon 2005 Am. Vet. Assoc. policy, many vets still
insist
on "sticking it" to dogs and their owners. Take your dog in for yearly
checkups but we suggest you avoid inundating your dog's immune system with
vaccines and other unnecessary preventative treatments. Explore much more
in Vaccines learn why vaccine-induced disease or death is a preventable
tragedy. Links to new vaccine protocol at bottom of page.
Explore the entire Resource Library for DogCare, Pets & Families,
Exhibition, etc!!
U.S. Declared Free of Canine Rabies Virus - But.
CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding stated "The elimination of canine rabies
in the United States represents one of the major public health success
stories in the last 50 years."
While dogs may still become infected from raccoons, skunks or bats, they
will not catch dog-specific rabies from another dog, the Atlanta-based
U.S.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
"We don't want to misconstrue that rabies has been eliminated -- dog
rabies
virus has been," CDC rabies expert Dr. Charles Rupprecht told Reuters in a
telephone interview. "Rabies evolves to match the animals it infects, and
the strain most specific to dogs has not been seen anywhere in the United
States since 2004", Rupprecht said.
You caught the "but" part. Your dog can still become fatally infected
from
contact with animals other than dogs. To further clarify, Kris Christine,
Founder and Co-Trustee of the Rabies Challenge Fund told National Pet
Press
"relative to the canine rabies virus -- there are many different strains
of
the rabies virus, but the canine one, which is transmitted from dog to
dog,
poses the greatest threat to humans, according to the CDC. So, while
there
is a reduced risk of rabies for dogs and their humans; dogs can still
contract rabies from bats and skunks and transmit it to their owners.
Progress has been made, but the risk has not been eliminated."
But wait, don't rush your dog or cat to the vet for re-vaccination. Due
to
pressure from TheDogPlace.com, vets, and dog-journalists, formerly
suppressed information is now in the public domain. The AVMA (American
Veterinary Medical Assoc.) has recently classified as "core vaccines"
those
deemed most virulent and deadly, and non-core for the ever-expanding list
of
shots pushed by McVet practices.
Breaking the sound barrier on animal immunizations has also re-opened the
debate about childhood booster shots. That remains a complicated subject,
especially the new vaccine for teenage girls which is now mandated by some
school districts - and has been overturned in some states due to parental
protest.
But the cat is out of the bag on the benefit vs risk associated with
yearly
rabies booster shots for pets. For this break-through, we credit the
determination of one person, Kris L. Christine. She was for years the
most
vocal objector to required rabies revaccination. She has been joined by
many of the nation's most respected research veterinarians who have formed
the Rabies Challenge Fund.
http://www.RabiesChallengeFund.org<http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/>
Regarding the Fund, Founder Kris Christine told National Pet Press "The
Rabies Challenge Fund will finance 5 and 7 year challenge studies at the
University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine to determine the
long-term duration of immunity of the canine rabies vaccine. In light of
the reduced risk to human from the canine rabies virus, it is especially
important that dogs are not required by law to be overvaccinated."
For a complete collection of articles on vaccine and booster shots for
your
pet, go to:
http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/DogCare/Vaccines/00V.Index.htm<http://www.thedogplace.org/Articles/DogCare/Vaccines/00V.Index.htm>
Reuters - read entire press release:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0741162020070907<http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN0741162020070907>
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Msg: #6 in digest
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:55:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Basu <billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: Re: The Way We Were
Jim,
Let's assume for a moment that your perception is correct, that we've lost
the powerful thrust that great movers had in the past(i've been doing this
since 1990 so i'm still a relative newcomer and didn't see those dogs of the
past), the way to get it back is to have the dogs shown on a loose lead. In
that way those dogs that have the power thrust and correct foreassembly and
good back etc etc will naturally go to the front of the line and will become
our breeding foundation to get back what you think we've lost. Agreed???
Bill
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From: James Barnhart
<jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jim@hiddenforestgermanshepherds.
com>>
To: billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:billgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:35:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The Way We Were
Bill, I think loose lead evaluation is a better way of finding the
dog that is the best mover relative to the other dogs in the ring.
The point that I'm having a hard time getting across is that I think
that the power that once thrust some of our great movers of the past
forward is gone. Lamar also said, "Be careful, the traits that have
made our breed great can be lost in one generation." No amount of
loose lead evaluation is going to bring it back. Our best GSDs, IMO,
can be close to the Standard in structure and type and be pretty good
movers and still lack this rare quality. I could be wrong. I have
gotten many emails from folks who tell me how great their dogs can move.
On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Bill Basu wrote:
> Jim,
> Thank you for the articulate and thoughtful question that you have
> posed.
>
> In my opinion, there are no absolutes with regard to an answers. Are
> dogs out being exhibited today that do exhibit the correct structure
> and gait as per the standard and are winning consistently,
> absolutely.Are there dogs out their that are "foolers" that do not
> have the correct structure and gait as per the standard and are
> winning consistently, absolutely.
>
> I think the biggest deteminant to finding those dogs that are
> correct from a gaiting standpoint vs those that are "foolers" is the
> way these dogs are gaited around the show ring.
>
> Give me a judge who truly puts a priority on "loose" lead gaiting as
> an integral part of their procedure in evaluating a dog and has the
> fortitude to demand it, no matter what we handlers do, and that
> judge will enable the ringside to see the difference between a dog
> that is structure properly and is gaiting properly vs one that is a
> "fooler". Now with that being said, this assumes that the judge is
> knowledeable and has high integrity.
>
> If you can imagine a critical mass of judges that put this priority
> on "loose" lead gaiting then you have a created a movement that will
> by the very virtue of adherence to this procedure lead to correct
> dogs also be dogs that are winning. It has a "rolling stone that
> will gather moss" effect. Winning dogs lead to dogs that are bred to
> and so on and so on.
>
> Without this critical mass of knowledgeable and high integrity
> judges who put a priority on "loose" lead gaiting, you now are
> subject to "handler skill", "Self promotion" and "bandwagon of
> winners" as Lamar foresaw and now the dog that meets the standard is
> no longer the priority.
>
> I was lucky that when i came up i was under the wing of "old timers"
> that made this a priority in the way they evaluated the dogs and as
> such i had the benefit of their teaching and experience. I am afraid
> that a lot of people in the last 15 yrs that have been introduced to
> the breed did not have this same advantage.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: James Barnhart
<jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jim@hiddenforestgermanshepherds.
com>>
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:59:20 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Way We Were
>
> I wish I were more articulate and less inclined to hyperbole in my
> original post that started this thread (probably shouldn't have had
> that second eggnog). Yes, long striding GSDs still exist. I own
> one. I got my first GSD in 1962 and finished my first GSD in 1965. I
> have been to a lot a dog shows including many nationals. Maybe you
> have seen me with a video camera taping animals as they move. I don't
> claim to be an expert on gait but I have always been interested in the
> dynamics of movement. Ever since I attended an day seminar with LaMar
> Kuhns in 1982 I have tried to understand the complex nature of human
> behavior involved in the sport of dog showing that he called the
> "Bandwagon of Winners". I remember being shocked when he said, "the
> Standard is kaput!" I thought he was being cynical when he said, "The
> future of the Breed is in the hands of self-promoters." He could be
> wrong because after the last National I read post after post about our
> Breed being in good hands and how deep the quality is now. Going
> back to gait, I again refer to Mr. Kuhns who described a GSD who
> looked like it could "gait on eggs without breaking one and yet move
> with strength and power." Here's my humble take: I see GSDs with
> good structure; I see long striding GSDs who even have a period of
> suspension. I see GSDs that have smooth transmission. I see GSDs
> that can move at all speeds. Something has changed in terms of the
> engine that drives our dogs. I believe there is a complex series of
> events that goes on at a cellular level in the bones, muscles and
> ligaments and tendons of a dog when it is gaiting. Check out the
> video:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFpKL0qRQ0<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T
IFpKL0qRQ0>) that created
> quite a discussion a while back on the List. To me that rear
> literally snaps with power. I just don't see it in our contemporary
> dogs. Maybe it's not necessary, maybe that trait was just a fad. I
> think its for the most part lost. I would like to be convinced that I
> am wrong. Jim Barnhart
>
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Msg: #7 in digest
From: James Barnhart
<jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jim@hiddenforestgermanshepherds.
com>>
Subject: Re: The Way We Were
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:35:37 -0800
Bill, I think loose lead evaluation is a better way of finding the
dog that is the best mover relative to the other dogs in the ring.
The point that I'm having a hard time getting across is that I think
that the power that once thrust some of our great movers of the past
forward is gone. Lamar also said, "Be careful, the traits that have
made our breed great can be lost in one generation." No amount of
loose lead evaluation is going to bring it back. Our best GSDs, IMO,
can be close to the Standard in structure and type and be pretty good
movers and still lack this rare quality. I could be wrong. I have
gotten many emails from folks who tell me how great their dogs can move.
On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Bill Basu wrote:
> Jim,
> Thank you for the articulate and thoughtful question that you have
> posed.
>
> In my opinion, there are no absolutes with regard to an answers. Are
> dogs out being exhibited today that do exhibit the correct structure
> and gait as per the standard and are winning consistently,
> absolutely.Are there dogs out their that are "foolers" that do not
> have the correct structure and gait as per the standard and are
> winning consistently, absolutely.
>
> I think the biggest deteminant to finding those dogs that are
> correct from a gaiting standpoint vs those that are "foolers" is the
> way these dogs are gaited around the show ring.
>
> Give me a judge who truly puts a priority on "loose" lead gaiting as
> an integral part of their procedure in evaluating a dog and has the
> fortitude to demand it, no matter what we handlers do, and that
> judge will enable the ringside to see the difference between a dog
> that is structure properly and is gaiting properly vs one that is a
> "fooler". Now with that being said, this assumes that the judge is
> knowledeable and has high integrity.
>
> If you can imagine a critical mass of judges that put this priority
> on "loose" lead gaiting then you have a created a movement that will
> by the very virtue of adherence to this procedure lead to correct
> dogs also be dogs that are winning. It has a "rolling stone that
> will gather moss" effect. Winning dogs lead to dogs that are bred to
> and so on and so on.
>
> Without this critical mass of knowledgeable and high integrity
> judges who put a priority on "loose" lead gaiting, you now are
> subject to "handler skill", "Self promotion" and "bandwagon of
> winners" as Lamar foresaw and now the dog that meets the standard is
> no longer the priority.
>
> I was lucky that when i came up i was under the wing of "old timers"
> that made this a priority in the way they evaluated the dogs and as
> such i had the benefit of their teaching and experience. I am afraid
> that a lot of people in the last 15 yrs that have been introduced to
> the breed did not have this same advantage.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: James Barnhart
<jim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jim@hiddenforestgermanshepherds.
com>>
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:59:20 AM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] The Way We Were
>
> I wish I were more articulate and less inclined to hyperbole in my
> original post that started this thread (probably shouldn't have had
> that second eggnog). Yes, long striding GSDs still exist. I own
> one. I got my first GSD in 1962 and finished my first GSD in 1965. I
> have been to a lot a dog shows including many nationals. Maybe you
> have seen me with a video camera taping animals as they move. I don't
> claim to be an expert on gait but I have always been interested in the
> dynamics of movement. Ever since I attended an day seminar with LaMar
> Kuhns in 1982 I have tried to understand the complex nature of human
> behavior involved in the sport of dog showing that he called the
> "Bandwagon of Winners". I remember being shocked when he said, "the
> Standard is kaput!" I thought he was being cynical when he said, "The
> future of the Breed is in the hands of self-promoters." He could be
> wrong because after the last National I read post after post about our
> Breed being in good hands and how deep the quality is now. Going
> back to gait, I again refer to Mr. Kuhns who described a GSD who
> looked like it could "gait on eggs without breaking one and yet move
> with strength and power." Here's my humble take: I see GSDs with
> good structure; I see long striding GSDs who even have a period of
> suspension. I see GSDs that have smooth transmission. I see GSDs
> that can move at all speeds. Something has changed in terms of the
> engine that drives our dogs. I believe there is a complex series of
> events that goes on at a cellular level in the bones, muscles and
> ligaments and tendons of a dog when it is gaiting. Check out the
> video:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFpKL0qRQ0<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T
IFpKL0qRQ0>) that created
> quite a discussion a while back on the List. To me that rear
> literally snaps with power. I just don't see it in our contemporary
> dogs. Maybe it's not necessary, maybe that trait was just a fad. I
> think its for the most part lost. I would like to be convinced that I
> am wrong. Jim Barnhart
>
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> original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or
> FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the
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>
> ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE
> IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE
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