For some strange reason some of my eamils are bouncing while others make it through. so here goes the second try, Well here I go way out on the limb..... I pick the one with superior structure and try to keep in mind that this is a working breed that was bred to think, that maybe, just possibly, this dog does not find running in circles that challenging. I then leave the show grounds really , really fast so the owners of the Mr Never Puts a Foot Down Wrong. don't do me in :0) But who knows maybe I would do it the other way. The reason is right now I have a very promising teenager that thinks showing is BORING!!!!!. Attitude can be everything and it really can make a difference in the way the dog shows himself. There could also be an argument that the GSD main reason TO BE is to serve the owner. If I think running in circles is REALLY important then the dog should be eager to please me and not himself. Terry who really dislikes self centered dogs. EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx wrote: First do we agree dog shows are a place to evaluate breeding stock. The judge is saying with his/her top placings these are the dogs that in my opinion should be used for breeding. With this in mind. you have a class of more than 4 animals in that class you have at least 4 top quality animals one of which is a showing fool never puts a foot down wrong. But there is one that is obviously superior in structure but is an uninspired show dog in fact the only time you can evaluate it's gait is when it is heading for the exit. WHO WINS and why. Fred Migliore --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================