I personally know the "Panda" lady, Cindy. The "Panda" came known by accident. She bred her GSD bitch to a GSD stud and ended up with some mis-marked pups. She called the stud's owner, and DNA testing was done to be sure the sire was the actual sire of ALL of the pups. Two different DNA tests confirmed the parentage of ALL pups. Cindy has DNA tested ALL pups resulting from the original breeding, as well as, the following generations. The following is taken from her website: All of our Pandas are DNA certified for authenticity These certicates issued by the Breed Founder provide authenticity that the dog listed below has had DNA submitted to the VGL Canine Genetics Laboratory at the UC Davis Center for Veterinary Genetics for the purposes of DNA Analysis. Based on DNA results, the dog listed below is a direct descendant of the original Panda GSD and meet the requirements of the Panda Standard Accordingly, these dogs are enrolled in the UC Davis Panda Genetics Project, which is aimed at defining the specific DNA changes leading to the Panda Type. This white-spotting pattern, which spontaneously appeared in a single dog (Franka), is phenotypically and genotypically distinct from the conventional S locus in dogs. The conventional S locus defines irish spotting, piebald, and extreme white, but it does not define the Panda Type. Several German Shepherd Dogs with white markings have submitted DNA to our laboratory, and these dogs do not appear to have the Panda Gene. Barb H -----Original Message----- From: EJDegen <EJDegen@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:58 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] pandas I've seen a number of border collies that have the exact same markings as he "first panda" shepherd. Regardless of what is claimed, I wouldn't be urprised to find a BC in that family tree. ulie Degen ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================