I don't think going to a "white GSD breeder" is the right source to go to..........<G> You can get the same markings RIGHT NOW TODAY on some current SHOW LINES if you are not careful. It is not a mutation. It is a fault that she is going back INTO instead of AWAY from. You start getting white feet.....white tips on the tail.....a white blaze on the face that can go away...or not......you are tinkering on the edge of getting a "world famous PANDA GSD". <G> You could do the same with some lines that will give you the 'bowed' front legs and continue to breed INTO that until you got Daschund legs.........as a breeder you have "tools"....you decide how to utilize them. "Stay with the program"........or become a genius at marketing. <G> Please do not make the mistake of thinking of this as "rare" "unique" or a "rare mutation". It just sounds way to glamorous. In horses this color and markings is called PIEBALD.... name not so glamorous ...eh? <G> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] panda shepherds genetics Was curoius (and obviously have too much free time on my hands!) so googled white shepherd genetics looking for more info on the "panda" and actually found a website with some good info on color genetics....it is a white gsd breeder, so the opinions on the different colors are of course not what I agree with, but it does explain the mutations and white factor well. I know all about the colors we WANT, but since I have never actually had them in any litters, I have always been a little hazy on the genetics of blues and livers and whites, and now "pandas", (which is actually a mutated white spotting factor) http://www.geocities.com/sahiela2/colors.html Maggie Marshall Aeval German Shepherds http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html Website Updated 03/21/2007 ________________________________________________________________________ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================