Anomoly's/Exceptions exist for most rules. All I can do is relay a basic principle of Genetics. I personally am not convinced yet one way or the other, lets just say as a breeder, I await more information and in the meantime take all into consideration when making breeding decisions. regards, M ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: gsdramey@xxxxxxx, lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:51:00 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: now bloat... So since....oh I don't know...let's use epilepsy.  According to the theory in the book Sheila is reading,  it shouldn't be (or to use your words, "highly unlikely to be") genetic. Well, we know that's bunk. Sounds like Sheila has a new coaster for the coffee table <G>. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 9/14/2009 12:50:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lindenhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Sheila has been reading a book on Canine Genetics recently(name escapes me). I will paraphrase:     If a given malady is primarily with in one breed the likelyhood of a genetic component is high     if a given malady is experienced throughout a species, it is much less likley.     if a given malady is experienced inter-speciies, it is highly unlikely to be genetic take from this what you will, I will find the book title and post later. M ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: gsdramey@xxxxxxx, lhavis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:31:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] now bloat... OK, if you want to stick your head in the sand....  Just because we don't have a DNA marker doesn't mean that anyone in the  breed longer than five minutes can't see bloat/GDV/torsion and other gastric  issues (toxic gut) run in certain lines.  Can their be triggers (stress/condition)...yes.  But please don't deny a genetic component.  Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd  Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/)   In a message dated 9/14/2009 12:24:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  gsdramey@xxxxxxx writes: Please  know and understand there is NO PROOF whatsoever that bloat is in any  line!!!  ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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