Not at all. What I'm SAYING is that the dog obviously IS a good dog. I am with the rest of you in saying that Dermot should NOT have placed in group that day, BUT, with that said, if he did that ALL the time, there's no way he'd have become the top winning Pug of all time. Heck, he wouldn't have even FINISHED. I don't care how many people think a judge could have "forgiven" it, only so many will forgive, and eventually something will be said about that particular dog's behavior. In a message dated 11/26/2005 3:54:30 PM Central Standard Time, LeBrowngsd writes: Are you saying judges should judge records and not he animals - Jackie Marcato Shepherds Where it's about function, not flash ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================