[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
- From: "Tom Elkins" <firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus'" <bedkar@xxxxx>, <nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>, "'The List'" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:45:07 -0500
There is a breeder that finishes thousands of GSD's, only at all-breed
shows. They have no front. They have no rear. They are clean coming and
going. They can't move out of their own way. They are "pretty" and have lots
of hair. Many all-breed judges love them. Are they correct? In reference
to gait, the Standard mostly describes what should be, not what shouldn't
be. For example, a dog is faulty to the degree that he doesn't move in a
manner that is,".outreaching, elastic, seemingly without effort, smooth and
rhythmic, covering the maximum amount of ground with the minimum number of
steps",etc. In other words, what isn't there that should be is just as bad
as what is there that shouldn't be.
tom elkins
Firethorn Temple
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From: Kay Reamensnyder Betty Doerpinghaus [mailto:bedkar@xxxxx]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:25 PM
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Subject: RE: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
I would tend to agree with you........
however, in defense of NONbreeder judges......
remember how our standard reads (the very last sentence
of the standard): "Faults of gait, whether from front, rear
or side, are to be considered very serious faults.
If we want sidegait to have preference, the standard should
say just that.
Also, there are faults in gait that are just as obvious from the
side as from coming and going.......for example, locked hocks
are just as obvious from observing side gait as well as observing
going away.....as are padding, flipping etc. coming at you.
So, hypothetically speaking, the question is really this:
Can a dog with faults coming and going really have correct gait
from the side????
Kay
-Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus
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> From: firethorntemple@xxxxxxxxx
> To: nancy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: ELG440@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:09:43 -0500
>
> Okay, so here's a hypothetical. You're deciding between two dogs for the
> points.One is less than 100% either going away or coming in, or maybe even
> both. Not gruesome, but not 100%.However, his type is beautiful and he's a
> drop dead gorgeous sidegaiter. The second dog is clean as a pin coming and
> going,but "just a dog" in terms of type and motion.Not bad, but clearly
not
> as good as the first dog in type or sidegait. Which one do you put up ? No
> fence riding. My take is that most all-breed judges would put up the
second
> dog, most specialty judges the first.
>
> tom elkins
> Firethorn Temple
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> On Behalf Of Nancy Harper
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> Cc: ELG440@xxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
>
> I am not going to Kill you now Carolyn because I agree with you. I think
> the overly long lower stifle has thrown our dogs out of balance. They are
> compensating for this by doing whatever they can to move forward. i.e.
> dragging toes, locking up, etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn Martello" <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx>; "The List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <ELG440@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:26 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: movement....NOT!
>
>
> I say, if they have a locked hock, let's eat them. It solves the problem
> inthe breed,
> and cuts down on our food bill at the same time A win/win situation.
> Evan
>
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> *******
> Evan,That won't work--we'll never have another major at a dog show, since
> there
> are a heck of a lot of locked hocks being shown! hehehe Penny in NY
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>
> That seems to be the case at many shows. It appears to me that in the
> fascination for seeking the extra inch of front extension..... our Breed
is
> seriously
> lacking in it's major force of movement.......the powerful rear thrust
from
> a correct
> and powerful driving rear......and a good back to transmit that power
> through to
> the front. The best solution for many of the dogs is to rotate the stifle
> outward in
> the rear follow through to keep from dragging it's toes.....
> A dog like that cannot stop and twist and turn to herd sheep....and we are
> losing
> the tails as rudders for balance.......they are more like a dead flopping
> rag.
>
> No wonder our handlers are holding the dogs up and holding them together
to
> navigate a few turns around the ring. No wonder we're dependent upon our
> handlers to have a powerful left arm......we don't have that power in our
> dogs.<G>
>
> Kill me now................<G>......I'm useless on the food chain anyway.
> <G>
>
> Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.Marhaven.com
>
>
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