In a message dated 12/12/2005 5:48:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Fred!... I would keep the all breed shows, but each breed would have to have a specialty judge!....the group would be judged by a panel or five, best of show by a panel of seven!..........FB ==================================================== ==================================================== What makes you think 5 or 7 people would do better. They would still have the same credentials. The only thing that has saved the all breed ring is that the man who has dominated it is a man of integrity after Manhattan Jim could have brought mediocre animals to the all breed ring and won on his reputation he didn't he brought quality dogs and bitches who were of select and ROM capability. Since I know there will always be an all breed ring for the sake of our breed I hope the person who takes over when Jim retires has as much integrity ability and love for our breed as he. Fred ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================