Maggie, I don't disagree with what you are saying. However, the original poster already has a 4ft fence that is no challenge to the dog. So, 1. Keeping things out, is not an issue. Kids climbing fences and getting zapped is an issue. 2. The collar stays on whenever you are not there to supervise the dog. (Good idea to make sure the clasp is plastic and will break if dog gets hung up on a fence.) 3. Repitition is the best teacher. They get zapped enough times, they won't test it anymore. However, if dog is that smart, and yes some are, make sure to schedule a routine battery change. 4. Again, there is already a physical fence in place, running out to a road to chase a squirrel and get hit by a car, is not the problem here. Getting zapped a few times will surely damper the interest in climbing a fence to play. Play drive and prey drive are very different things. So, this may well work for this situation. It was an option based on what the poster wrote about this dog. Not a solution for every dog and every situation. Laura -----Original Message----- From: gsdlady28@xxxxxxx To: grnram415@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 9:12 PM Subject: invisibable fence From my experience with inv fencing, it is ok for teaching boundries, and may work on some smaller (or dumber) dogs, but 1. Does not keep other dogs/kids/cats/etc out 2. As with the shock collars, the dogs learn that it is the collar and again as soon as it is off so are they 3. They also figure out that it gets weaker as the batteries wear down and act accordingly 4. All it takes is something really good to chase and get some momentum built up, like a cat or squirrel or other dog, and they are past the "invisible line" before they realize it, (and then cant get back in without getting zapped by the way!) effectively ruining any training they learned, as now they know it only hurts for a second, so while they may still respect it for the most part, the next time they see something worth it, they will not hesitate to go after it and cross the line. Maggie Marshall Aeval German Shepherds http://hometown.aol.com/gsdlady28/index.html Website Updated 03/21/2007 Subject: Re: Fence climbers, poop, vets, rescue dogs & Bad Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:52:17 -0400 From: grnram415@xxxxxxx How about the invisible fencing. My Dad has used it for years. No wires for unsuspecting kids to touch and the only one that gets the jolt is the dog wearing the collar. Just a thought. Laura Thomas AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================