In a message dated 9/24/2009 2:30:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pmick12@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: but Zeek had the most presence of any Shepherd I personally have ever seen. There are a few others.....you cannot discount the presence of Gotti. Yes, as someone mentioned he had his issues but when he walked naturally in his stand and put his head up...pow! Presence is that pop that says "look at me". And yes, Zeek had the same. Some bitches that had pop.......Cricket and Rosemary Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1972 ph 409-287-3940 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont (recording secretary), Life member CKC "We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't". ..Frank A Clark ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================