With all due respect to your opinions and interpretation of the Standard, from what I have read and interpreted with respect to height, I believe the standard calls for females to be 22 to 24 inches at the withers and males to be 24 to 26 inches, so with that said anything above 24 inches is not within the standard. Also I believe there were many pictures missing from the collection that showed dogs that gave meaning to the terms "pin-heads", "ski-slopes" and "mish-mashers". There was a time in this period where sex characteristics were questionable and many times one would have to look below before addressing someone's male without sounding insulting. Yes, you can take the term extreme and tone it down but the fact is when you take too many elements of the standard to the point of "a little" extreme" you are making changes to the standard, especially when others breed to this and try to reproduce that which has deviated from the standard. Lyn Chernak Lyn Chernak ~ CherLyn Shepherds AKC Breeder of Merit http://www.cherlynshepherds.com Three Generations ~ GSDCA 13 Club ~ Membership CherLyn's Dixie, BH, CDX, RAE, TC, HIC, CGC Ulric vom Kriegerhaus, CD, RA, TC, HIC, CGC,OFA Excellent ________________________________ From: Norma Ramey <gsdramey@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 5:39 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: changes in the breed Ah!! Please, everyone, read the post below from the REAL Norma as it is very very true and to the point here. Our splendid GSDs are still and always will be splendid. I feel the same way, and, like her, do not see gigantic changes in looks and/or structure in a way that would make us wonder where our old dogs are. ENJOY!!! The most correct part of her post is the last sentence, which is not about the dogs but the people. We DO need to come up with some ways to improve this, if possible. Norma no L ----- Original Message ----- From: <nhansburgh@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] changes in the breed we have been around for more then 100 years. there were more changes in the look of the breed in the first fifty years which is understandable since the breed was developing. i have been taking pictures of german shepherd dogs for 50 years and i can show you in picture how little the appearance of the dog has actually changed since 1963. we have gone through changes in fashion eg more extremity less extremity plusher coats closer coats size differences etc but all of them have been within the standard. there are dogs on film from the 57 national who would have gone select today.what we do have now is less competition and that is not a good thing. -- norma hansburg www.normahansburg.com =========================================================================== ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. 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