[ SHOWGSD-L ] Who's Ideal... Who are we kidding?
- From: "Carolyn" <marhaven@xxxxxxx>
- To: <MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx>, <EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx>, <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:49:34 -0800
Hi Jackie;
It's odd that you use that drawing of your ideal along with your quotes....as
that dog
does not have a " straight back" as the croup is higher than the back itself,
and it
has
a short steep croup that DEFINITELY "heads south for the winter"........nor
is the
thigh close to a right angle as quoted and the shoulder is sorely lacking
angulation.
In general this dog would not be my ideal..........and I dislike short necks.
This dog, or drawing could also have a handler pose it in such a way that it
could
lay it's hock on the ground.......it isn't always the dog....it is often just
the
POSE!
There is no problem with the Standard. The problem lies in the fact that
none of us
have yet been able to attain the perfection of the Standard and this drawing is
not
very close either. Many Champions fall short of the Standard.
However......a Judge can only judge or choose what they "interpret" to be
closest
to the Standard according to what is brought in the ring by the handlers and the
Breeders and Exhibitors. The Standard is not at fault and open to
interpretation.
The problem is what Breeders, Exhibitors and even Judges do with it.
Until we bring them perfection......a Judge cannot put up perfection.
Until Judges are perfect......they will often miss the dog closest to the
Standard and
go with what they prefer......( or unfortunately..... who they prefer)
We all TRY......but it's a flawed imperfect sport.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxx
www.marhaven.com
From: <MarcatoGSD@xxxxxxx>
> For example Monsieur, I interpret "The withers are higher than and sloping
> into the level back. The back is straight, very strongly developed without sag
> or roach, and relatively short." to mean a dog that looks like this when
> stacked: http://www.fluffyrat.net/wildfyre/GSD.GIF
> Not a dog whose butt heads south for the winter.
>
> And I interpret "The whole assembly of the thigh, viewed from the side, is
> broad, with both upper and lower thigh well muscled, forming as nearly as
> possible a right angle."
>
> To mean NEARLY a right angle, not EXACTLY as I see so many these days, which
> takes away from the structure of the dog, as they now have an excessive amount
> of thigh/stifle bone, which takes move time to move and follow through in the
> rear, and thus, there goes the drive, because the dog can't extend properly
>
> The metatarsus (the unit between the hock joint and the foot) is short,
> strong and tightly articulated.
>
> Which I take to mean as "The dog shouldn't be able, or shouldn't HAVE to put
> his entire hock on the floor to support his body weight."
>
> The ideal dog in the picture does not place his whole hock on the ground, he
> does not have an excessive slope to his topline, and his rear does not have a
> bunch of right angles. This is the style of dog I wish to breed for when I
> finally get that far.
>
> This is where interpretations differe, and where style comes into play.
>
> In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:43:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx writes:
> I would like some
> one to point out the places in it where you can have much of a different
> interpretation.
>
> - Jackie
>
> Marcato Shepherds
> Where it's about function, not flash
>
>
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