In a message dated 3/16/2012 7:50:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hickoryhillgsd1@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: If you call the winner in a lap or two, the fancy should be able to see and learn that true correct structure prevails when a dog begins to tire. I don't buy it. We are to judge against the standard. I saw nothing in it about endurance. I try to see the temperament, muscles the bones and the structure. If I see what the standard calls for, I don't need the dog to continue running for half an hour. I did use to like the long time used to judge the dog when each class ran for half an hour, but I don't think it is necessary to see who tires first. It does not show you structure but may show conditioning. We do not judge conditioning. Or, at least I don't. Evan L. Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================