>>has a winners dog or winners bitch ever won the breed from the classes at a GSDCA national? << Here is one: 1993 US National - American Bred Dogs - Winners Dog, Best of Winners, Grand Victor, Best of Breed (Dog judge: Betty Radzevich, Specials judge: Mrs. Margaret "Peggy" Douglas) GV Ch. Bethesda's Earth of Jada - Edan Handled by Bart Bartley, I believe. Ch. Hoheneichen-Avalon Chinadoll was GVX and BOS, handled by Jerry Guzman. In a message dated 11/5/2005 5:42:11 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cccaudiology@xxxxxxxxx writes: I have a quick question.. has a winners dog or winners bitch ever won the breed from the classes at a GSDCA national? Ive noticed most of them have been champions, etc. Usually its a powerhouse of a dog they've sat on for the nationals that year and they end up finishing "fancy". Has that occured in this breed? Mike Lynch ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================