In a message dated 8/16/2005 2:05:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: Since we are still in the herding group I don't think she judged GSDS. Could it be that Tom has her confused with another judge? She is not on the list to defend herself and I think it is unfair to find her guilty as charged without her being able to defend herself. I hired her to do my AB show twice, she drew a very good entry for us. She certainly faulted temperament if it was bad at those shows. She is a tooth nut and you would not do well to bring her one with a missing tooth. Coming from the Belgium breeds she is very familiar how important good temperament is in all breeds. Her email is in the judges directory and I think before people find her guilty and sentence her to death maybe they should talk to her. Lee Brown With all due respect to all involved the show was in 2004 and I was there ...it was not a good example of temperment that day. The youngster showed issues 4 times that I saw. The handler won the points ...not the dog ...no doubt about it. This is a problem for many who do try and support clubs and spend alot of money. It was an expensive trip 10 days of showing 2 dogs in the Fla. Circuit and seeing this happen time after time. The handler getting judged not the dog. It was a yearly trip that I used to enjoy but probably wont do anymore. It will also hurt the specialty clubs because its two less dogs for them. Being the costs of showing dogs increasing thats a circuit I may just not do anymore because the outcome. Jim, Bertalan Shepherds Long Island, NY ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================