I thought everyone was a member now for the $36.00 so they could voice their opinion or vote. Does anyone know how many have taken advantage of that lower price? What will be interesting is to see how many stay when the rate goes back up. Theresa On Mon, 3/5/12, Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: posted: <<<<"this is a closed list">>>>>yes so why are non members giving two cents when they don't care enough to join. You can join now for 36.00..lol Part of the problem..too, you have NON members giving their constant two cents on the way things are, or should be ...want to complain? Great..join first. Not public? Fine, but according to some ? reaches a lot of people? so what message does it send.. "don't join the PC , because the biggest show of the year and the awards are a farce? " Sounds like it. You can show till the cows come home and not be a PC member, but don't complain when the club doesn't do what you think is right. You can show to the MOON as an AB exhibitor, but that doesn't mean the dog merits a Select or GV by Breeder / Judges/ Members at our biggest show. We have to have limits on our "Parade" or the already too long show will go on for days longer. That is a fact. If you (collectively speaking) don't appreciate the show, send suggestions or don't show. I don't always like the way some shows go either, but I know I have no right to complain w/o being involved, being a member. AB or specialty...this is not a communist country, we don' t HAVE to show where we don't care to show. But DO NOT malign those in venues that chose what they do. "not a public list" true... And yet one person with an apparent chip on the shoulder can malign and cast aspersions on the Selects and the dogs chosen at our biggest show.. We all know, I hope, that judging is SELECTIVE..pardon the pun....it is human err, or not...really to hear one person go on and on in such a nasty way about Selects , Greats...because that person's dog didn't qualify? Temperament? You know I have seen plenty of so called Group winners or even the occasion fluke BIS that lacked secondary sex characteristics usually masculinity, or had a fault of gait, and some all in one dog.. big deal. No one said the system is perfect , not by a longshot. Sadly..as long as humans judge or fail to judge dogs, we have to live with it. Don't like the Select system?..don't show "Jo Blow Champion" at the National specialty.. last time I checked there were no guns to temples, and no coercion to do so. However as far as the Parade of Greats, maybe we could consider inviting not just any Group winner..but a Group winner from Crufts, Eukanuba or Westminster.. also whether people like the dogs or not inviting any dog that went VA in Germany to the show. This is the BIGGEST breed show in the world..counts for something. But we probably already do this. But just Group winners or BIS.. no, I won't be watching..stick to the "biggies" beyond that, I don't see the point. IMVVHO Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* * <http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/>**UPDATED: Dec 29**, 2011* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================