Hi All; First I want to say to Heather, you go girl, you responded to Tom's post beautifully. I also want to add that as the Show Coordinator of an AB Club. The Jersey Hills GSDC (what's left of it ) supports the entry of GSD each year, we have had breeder judges and good AB judges and a very big Speciality size each year. I stand over the MBF boys to make sure the ring is right. My point is that no matter if it is a Speciality or AB Judge, the enter is about the same size each year, so go figure. The site of the Newton KC show is beautiful, two back to back shows, RV parking, great food and we go out of our way to have large rings for all the Herding, Working and Sporting breeds. So may point is that folks complain about rings, judges, etc. no matter what you do. Cathy Kelstar fmurch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx EarthLink Revolves Around You. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================