You are right Barbara...there are Champion, and Working Dogs that are good to average, that do get a title, that are not standouts, and that eventually disappear, from the ring, and one's memory.. There is something more than just "Okay here I am and I will do it , but I am only going through the motions (or as bad, with some "I will do it because I am scared not to" ) It is NOT a real showdog/ working dog. They do it because they have to, or because they just go through it...zzzzzzz. A HUGE pet peeve of ours is a slug and/or a coward. They do NOT a real show or working dog make...nor a GSD for that matter. We believe this is passed on through DNA and we see these types of problems all the time, from generation to generation in some lines. It is not limited to dogs, it is applicable to horses as well. The GREAT dogs both conformation and working have a certain "something" . Some call it heart, yes that. It is also charisma, SPARKLE, VIGOR and the abject JOY of doing what they love best, and giving 100% all the time, everytime. . It can be a striking conformation dog that just exudes "Look at Me"..the peacocks, the showmen. It can be a working dog that had joy and anticipation of pleasing his owner, in obedience, therapy, SchH, herding, you name it. THIS IS WORK ETHIC, AND DESIRE TO PLEASE AND BRAVADO AND SUPERCEDES ALL ELSE. It is largely genetic, and will hopefully be nurtured by people that know how to allow this to shine through while still getting a performance from the dog. These dogs are the ones that LOVE what they do, and they SHOW it. That attitude, that work ethic , that desire takes "ho hum" turning it into WOW , look at HIM/HER! As far as ROMs that are outstanding, and others...there are some genuine producers and stud dogs /horses. The ones that show consistency with each litter, with multiple , different mates. The cookie cutter or prepotent sires and dams. Then there are the "made producers" We have all seen this, and I won't even comment, it is a waste of energy Kathy Tank n 26/12/2007, Barbara Galasso <uwish@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > What's the difference between a good one and a great one? In my opinion > (for what ever that's worth) I don't believe every champion and even > every ROM is a great one. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================