WHITE is a masking gene. Genetically, that WHITE was a Sable. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: cnnpmm2 <cnnpmm2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:31 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The White GSD: Where does he fit in? Penny writes: "I bred my black and tan CH Todorhaus Iron Eagle, OFA to a white bitch with excellent conformation and temperament. She had all sables and they had excellent temperaments and good health. " Sorry, but Black&Tan x White does not a Sable make. At least one parent has to be a Sable to get Sables. On White breeder websites, I have seen Black&Silvers with faded saddles that look a bit like Sables. PaulETTE McGuirt, GSDCA Member Wellborn-Allemande German Shepherds Qui Me Amat, Amat et Canem Meam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny & Bill" <Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The White GSD: Where does he fit in? Good article, which, I imagine will not be popular with many on da list. Quite a few years ago, I bred my black and tan CH Todorhaus Iron Eagle, OFA to a white bitch with excellent conformation and temperament. She had all sables and they had excellent temperaments and good health. Would I do it again? Most assuredly, I would. I go by the DNA, conformation, temperament and pedigree. Whites are GSDs. Penny in NC The Farm Dog Forever ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================