After watching this short clip I cannot say I totally disagree with ALL of it. <G> There certainly were some good and strong points made with what I tend to call "extreme" Breeds. Granted....they probably utilized the most extreme examples they could find.........but.......Let's be honest....some have been bred some specific "qualities" into some breeds to the point of the animal being non-functional as a dog! BUT if that is what a specific Breed is desired for.... by mankind....it will not change. If a Bull Dog gasping for breath on a hot day is "desired"......or the risk of the bulging eye breeds popping an eye out is worth it to the owner.......sadly....then it will not change. In this video.......they obviously used some pretty "EXTREMES" to make their point.....and that's not fair to breeders or the precise factual point of their own video, nor those Breeds ........But...... We have to stay focused on OUR Breed. The photo used for a 1925 German Shepherd Dog was not a good example and certainly was not a 'good one' even during that time or era. Also....the example of a GSD with a roached banana back in reality is not a fair interpretation of the German Shepherd Dog and what any of us are breeding for today. Looks like a deliberate mis-interpretation of what we strive for just for the sole purpose of making us look bad.....but is a good reminder that we should not lose our way........for a "look". THAT being said.....WE ...in OUR Breed are seeing softer and softer coats all the time.....and breeders even remarking on what a "wonderful soft coat"....Fido the GSD has. A soft coat is not correct nor as easy to maintain....so lets not go there! The correct coarse coat dries quicker and easier, repels dirt, stands up to harsh conditions much better, and is in general a much more "efficient" "working" coat that serves it's purpose on a working dog much MUCH better. Also......NO WHERE in our Standard is that desired red hue asked for.... and we are shooting ourselves in the foot when judges expect only that.......and the dye is becoming common in the grooming equipment. One of the best things about our Breed to me ......has always been that it is a "natural" Breed. . Let's really try to stay within that realm........and we'll be OK and our dogs will be OK! Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Doc Zoe To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 11:57 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Something to get your blood boiling.... or not On 23 Dec 2011, at 14:46, Karen M. Carloni wrote: Someone ought to tell the creator of this video that, the reason our "show" dogs have ***all that coat*** today, is because our modern fanciers pay more attention to coat care than they did back in the days when people actually depended upon dogs to supply daily food for their tables. One cannot "create" coat that isn't already provided for in the dogs' genes! I can assure you all that our modern-day show setters (yep... even Irish!), cockers (both types), hounds (yep... even the low-riders) or whatever can and DO still hunt! If you brought those longcoated show dogs out into the field a few times without proper attention to their coats, they would be every bit as naked as the dogs in those old pictures! Would THAT make this person feel better?? -- <REPLY> You cannot tell this person anything - they already feel better maligning all dog breeders We should be thankful for small favours that he used a GERMAN DOG and not an America dog to say they have HD <VBG>. However, the old time GSD stacked just like the modern day ones. Interesting. 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