I see what Barbara is saying in theory. However, In shepherds that isn't the case. Like Kay said the best specimens aren't always the best producers. And some of the dogs I have seen go on to be top producers I probably wouldn't feed. There doesn't seem to be such a strong correlation between top show dogs and top producers in shepherds as there is in other breeds. When I bred Dobermans, I could breed two nice dogs together and get at least one to finish in the all breeds. In shepherds you could breed the GV to the GV and get a litter full of pets. My friends that breed pugs, corgi's, and keeshonds used to have litters three deep in champions when they bred mediocre dogs. As far as showing sterile dogs, If he is a showstopper an is sterile why not? Mystique is the top winning dog in the history of the breed (she deserved every award), but she never had a litter. Show and breeding are two different things. Like coated bitches she may be super nice and may produce selects even though she will never be a select. Channing www.ca-shegsd.com > From: bedkar@xxxxx > To: ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Something to discuss > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 01:19:09 +0000 > > The "Best Specimen" is not necessarily the "Best Producer"..... > > I like to see as many offspring of similar breeding before I > > make a decision on what breeding I would what to do. I go to > > shows to see those offspring. Why would you look at one dog. > > Comparisons of strenghts and weaknesses need to be made. > > -Kay Reamensnyder and Betty Doerpinghaus > -Home of Bedkar German Shepherds > -bedkar@xxxxx > -Visit our Website: www.bedkargsd.com > > > > > > > > From: Ketchy@xxxxxxxxxx > > To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Something to discuss > > Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 19:55:00 -0400 > > > > > > The purpose of the dog show is to put up the best specimen ..This is > > tellng people these are the dogs to be bred ..There is not any reason > > to show an animal who is sterile. He cannot further the breed or > > reproduce himself...That is not the purpose of a dog show...Barbara > > Amidon > > ************************************************************************************************** > > Although I agree with what you say WHOLEHEARTEDLY Barbara, I believe > > that many exhibitors show dogs to satisfy their insatiable egos. 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