You summed it up very nicely. Ruth Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx wrote: first, the negative and, therefore, the ownership of the photo is the photographer, neither the handler nor the owner. photography is an "art" and the creator of the art owns the art. second, it depends upon the integrity of both the handler and the client. if the handler advertises the dog without the client's express permission (i.e. creates an ad that states this is me, joe handler, with super champion xxxx), that wouldn't be too ethical. but.....if the handler is promoting his own services and those same services were rendered at some point to that dog and the dog is unnamed inthe ad, that is NOT unethical. here's an example of really bad taste. years ago, my 3x select bitch, silstra's charlie babbitt, was pictured in an ad in the review - an ad i created - and i had the handler airbrushed out of the ad. all the photo showed was babbitt. unethical? that's up to debate. but.what i did certainly wasn't nice nor was it very sportsmanlike. bottom line, it's an issue to be debated between the handler and the dog's owner. to put it to the list or any other group is meaningless. again, just my opinion, but at $125 per page, as the owner, i'd be thrilled with the free ad. diane Diane Strasser Silstra German SHepherds **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================