Wow, thank you all for your responses. They were varied and informative. I don't want to crate these guys as that seems to make it worse. But, with the suggestions I received, I will try some different things. One of the things I realized is that the guys who go out to the runs during the day, get lots of playtime when I put them out in the am. (Everyone comes in the house at night) The house dogs just get thrown outside and come back in to eat. So, they have pent up energy. They are going to get the same amount of playtime the others get in the am and see if that helps. I will also use that energy for obedience training. Not heavy duty stuff but the basics. They have the drive and energy so I'll use it :-) I don't think I'll get any complaints from them :-) I really believe that stress plays a more imortant role in bloat anyway as well as a dog being predisposed to it. So far, neither has not been an issue Fingers crossed. BTW, crating to feed these dogs is not an option. They scream and get upset minutes after eating if they are crated. I feel that is worse for them than playing. Thank you all for your responses. Laura Thomas http://www.treasureranchgsds.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================