On Oct 14, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Susan Madlung wrote: > yes, but I think what Dawn is referring to is those breeders that hound > their pet people to show their dog, because it is "show quality" .. > even if > it isn't. > We see it all the time, especially at futurity time when the newest > crop of > owners show up with the dogs they bought as pets but have now been > hounded > into showing them by the breeder (of course, the objective of the > breeder is > to simply rack up the ROM and futurity points for the parents) > > We generally never see them again - most likely because of how > disillusioned > they become with the whole show scene. > > Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds > http://www.shadowacre.com/rosie.htm -UPDATED!!! > New litter born august 12/05!! > PICTURES ADDED!!! 9/11/05 As a new comer (although advised by old timers) whose bitch was Reserve to Opposite Sex at the Northeast Futurity this kind of statement goes right through me. We, Molly's breeder and I, are quite proud of her achievements. Nor did she hound me into showing her. I don't think this makes sense to me. Why in god's green little apples would a breeder want one of his pet puppies being campaigned. I can't think of anything more embarrassing. Plus, the only time a dog gets ROM points is at the National for Maturity/Futurity Victor and Victrix and if you think I'm insulted....... So, bringing the pet puppies out to the local Futurities does nothing for the breeder. From the gsdca.org site: CONFORMATION COMPETITION 3 PT. SHOW 4 PT. SHOW 5 PT.SHOW BOB OR BOS FROM SPECIALS 6 POINTS 8 POINTS 10 POINTS BOB OR BOS FROM CLASSES 3 4 5 WINNERS DOG OR BITCH 3 4 5 RESERVE WINNERS, EITHER SEX 1 2 3 CHAMPION TITLE-10 POINTS SELECT RATING-10 POINTS REGISTER OF MERIT-15 POINTS AWARD OF EXCELLENCE-10 POINTS GRAND VICTOR OR VICTRIX-15 POINTS FUTURITY/MATURITY VICTOR OR VICTRIX-3 POINTS Holly www.hbeng.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================