In a message dated 11/28/2005 7:59:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, CARALAND writes: Lance was sired by Fortune of Arbywood who was bred in America and was one of the famous Arbywood F litter. Their sire was the imported Troll von Richterbach. I am corrected but meant that the Arbywood litter was bred on an import. I still feel it was an out-cross, but maybe I am wrong there too. A friend of mine had the only F Arbywood male that didn't finish. Everyone has 15 minutes of fame. Andy was right. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================