Hi Sara, As it would appear you tend to do, I used to view the world in only black and white. It's either this or that. This is either true or it's fiction. As an "A" personality I still struggle with this some in life, my job, etc. Your perception is your reality. Unfortunately, that does not always equate to real truth. And it takes some practice & humility reconciling that sometimes. "But, judging by the posts and private e-mails (with the exception of a few), it would appear that the breed has zero problems and everyone outside of the GSD world (and myself) are nuts." I read most of the responses to you and I did not read a consensus that the breed has zero problems. I am very certain that most breeders, exhibitors, and handlers in the GSD world would certainly each give you a list of issues within the breed. I also do not believe any breed is without issue (whether health, temperment, etc.) Breeding is just as much art as science, but there are no guarantees. You breed dog A to dog B with the intentions of getting C, but you get something completely different sometimes. Even very experienced and succesful breeders will tell you this. Yes, some will lie to you. Some will hide the issues in their lines. Most will be up front though. And I don't believe the GSD community has a monopoly on issues, untruths, etc. We are just a slice of society. There are many good people in our breed and hopefully you find your path to one who you can work well with. Just remember that more times than not the truth lies in the middle and as with just about everything in life you have to be able to view situations, problems, and disarray in shades of gray and make the best decision possible for you. Best, Jeff Jeff Pyle Windfall -----Original Message----- From: Sara Minsk <ninemaplefarm@xxxxxx> To: DaList <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 9:50 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Ok..last thing Well, this has certainly been quite educational for me. I can't say whether it as been good or bad. But, judging by the posts and private e-mails (with the xception of a few), it would appear that the breed has zero problems and veryone outside of the GSD world (and myself) are nuts. I can see with my own eyes how loose the hind legs are and how the dogs can't alk normal. So, you can all tell me that I am nuts and they would make the deal herding dog but I don't buy it. I have to agree with everyone that has pproached me about this GSD condition. It's not ok. If this is what wins in he AKC and is the only thing than I am not interested. I can't do it. My first SD as a kid (an unregistered white) didn't look like this and he was athletic, ound, and healthy. As I start to show my GSD puppy, I was hoping that this look asn't required but every year that goes by I see it more and more. I just on't know why. I wanted to express my frustration over hearing all the negativity from outside he GSD world (which I agree with) and the fact that I have had experienced reeders tell me that they can't get majors on their dog as it's too political. o, if they can't do it how will I ever be able to do it? Will I have to be in he breed for 50 years before I can finish my own dog? Maybe all breeds are like this. I don't know. I don't care as I only care about y breed. So, sorry I bothered everyone trying to understand why this is all happening in he breed and how it will effect me showing my dog. I truly find it upsetting. ut, I guess it doesn't concern the majority of people. Likewise, I suppose over the last 3 years I must have also been blind witnessing he poor temperaments in the ring. I don't know. I want to have thick skin but at the end of the day..I just don't eed the stress. I don't. Why does it have to be this way? Maybe the GSDCA isn't the right fit for me (which stinks as I am a new member nd just joined a local GSDCA club). I am still shocked at bring called "smug" nd hearing "this breeder sells her good dogs but wouldn't to you". Blah-blah. I on't like being called a liar either. Why is it important what other people hink about the breed? Maybe because where there is smoke there is fire. I had o sit through a whole freaking show with people coming up to me (who had met me t UKC) and ask me why the breed is ruined and so deformed.. I DON'T KNOW. verytime I am out walking my dog or attending a performance class, I get asked he same questions. I DON'T KNOW. This is my first exposure to other GSDCA members outside of the woman I met at a how from the club I joined and the club members I met at the meeting to vote me n. I can't say I am not disappointed. I just wanted answers and I have no ecret agenda. I apologize again for bothering everyone on the list with my concerns as a new erson entering the breed and show ring. To the few people who sent positive -mails to me, I thank you. To the rest, your negativity is just too much. ruly. I wish everyone much success in their breeding programs..... Take Care, ara =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. 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