I use the nylon/chain martingale collars on both my Cardigan Welsh Corgis and my big boy GSD for obedience training and general use. They are gentle but still produce that "zing" sound when you want to get their attention. They're wonderful for puppies because you can get them over their ears without too much fuss and it's just enough around their neck to help them acclimate to a collar. I get mine at PetSmart. Bonnie L. Money Bridgelady GSD's and CWC's www.blcardis.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude EVA] ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================