What Anne said <G>. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/1/2012 2:20:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, edangsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: You knew she was a DQ, before you trained her. ----- Original Message ----- From: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, "showgsd-l" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:06:34 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: List Rule #2/another angle Kathy dear!....I don't think they are being rewarded for being "white"...they are being rewarded for having the best GSD in the obedience competition!...but lets take your point further ( or is it farther..lol)...now lets say I have two smart Bk/Tan GSDs...they mate, I get a white...oh hell!..now what do I do.....I decide to keep her, train her, and guess what..she goes high in trial at the National....I did NOT deliberately breed a DQ fault.....I bred two German Shepherd dogs who just happened to produce German Shepherd puppies, one of whom just happened to be white.......I know most will not change their minds on the subject, one way or another, but the conversation is fascinating to me, and then again...I have no job, no life, and no white dogs...lol...and there IS something wrong with that...lol...but I'm blessed...FB ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx To: zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:25:29 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: List Rule #2/another angle True. I have a question from another angle. I've been saying all along that the recent inclusion of dogs w/ DQs to be eligible at the national for PC V/VX awards is a DQ thing and not a "white" thing. For me anyway... I've said (as far as whites are concerned) let them all in or let them all go. But as long as white breeders are, as the GSD standard is NOW, deliberately breeding a DQ.....why would the PC reward that w/ recognition of our highest awards???? You know, I could see if a dog broke their tail (the example Julie used) and the owner had a vet's note and the dog qualified for the award. But to deliberately breed FOR what is NOW a DQ and be rewarded???? And to make that change w/o any member or committee chair input....Isn't that a slap in the face to those of us who DO our damndest to adhere to the standard????? (And please spare me the history of whites...I don't care. Either in or out. Change the standard or not. But for now it's a DQ.) Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 3/1/2012 1:01:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, zrockenstein@xxxxxxxxx writes: I was just looking at the new member application and was reminded of List Rule #2: List Rules2: Yes, I agree that I adhere to and support the Breed Standard of the German Shepherd Dog established by the German Shepherd Dog Club of America Really? It seems like we have a lot of people on this List who don't. Dr. Zoa Rockenstein www.riverrockgermanshepherds.com Home of Multiple Group Winner GCH RiverRock's Hotel California (Callie) HSAs RN BN Group Winner Ch. RiverRock's Straight From The Heart HSAsd and the new kid RiverRock's One Fine Day ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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