In a message dated 8/16/05 5:33:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jimchyn@xxxxxxxxx writes: That would not be one that was perfect all over, but one who moved as the standard calls, one who was beautiful/ to the standard set up, and clean coming and going shouldn't be a problem because there should only be one interpretation of it. Then do the drawings from those dogs. I see the problem of the illustrated standard as one of how to show the GSD as it should be judged. This dog is a moving animal, and the serious faults are faults of movement. You cannot demonstrate movement with an illustration. You can graph what the movement should be, or draw lines to show what the standard call for, but all of that can be stated in words, and yet still not understood. An illustration is good, but as was pointed out before, a blueprint does not show you what a home looks like. We cannot fool ourselves into thinking that if we have a perfect illustration, all judges will do a perfect job. We have a good standard, we had a good illustration, and we still had ignorant judges. I commend the effort, but I feel we are too far advanced as a club and a breed to now establish an illustrated standard that will be acceptable to even a large majority of this club. We should put our efforts towards education, and if we believe an illustrated standard will accomplish that, then we should go for it. But, if we use an inferior illustration, we have to accept that we cause more harm that good. Does this club think we would have agreed to the original illustrated standard, were we to be asked to accept it today? The judges will still judge as they interpret it, as it always has been. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================