A less obvious example of a puppy mill is something I've witnessed first hand......individuals that get into the breed with the best of intentions but with no real network of support. We all know that shepherd people are not the most welcoming group particularly when it comes to newcomers, so these people might give showing a whirl, find the climate a little to cold and unfriendly and eventually drift away from showing their dogs. They slap some abscure titles on a dog here and there, but for the most part they collect Championed GSD?s from other breeders and begin their own little breeding business with no consideration given to specific lines and pedigrees and certainly no goals towards improving the breed in conformation or performance. They breed several litters a year and sell their puppies as quality animals for ridiculously high prices. I can think of three such breeding facilities right here in Minnesota. They are well known to the general public, you see their kennel names in the want ads of the local papers every week (they always have puppies), and they all have slick websites and fancy advertising promoting their kennel designed to lure in the buyer. In my opinion they are nothing more than a glorified puppy mill. Cindy Cinosam GSD's Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: I don't believe Colleen is referring to those people who co-own dogs and as such are technically the breeders of litters from those dogs, I don't think she is talking about breeders of multiple litters on paper.. I know colleen, and I know from where she speaks -- and she is referring to those people who call themselves "commercial breeders" (a fancy name for puppy mill), those people who always have 2 or 3 or 4 litters on the ground at their residence, those people who proudly state that they only need to sell "1 puppy a day" to pay the bills - but those bills rarely include vet care for the breeding animals. these "breeders" with their "records" of success ARE among us, are NOT interested in the betterment of the breed, or the people who come in contact with our breed, they are interested in lining their pockets, manipulating the masses and could not care any less about the health and welfare of our dogs that they would a lump of doggy doo under their feet.. Cynical?? you bet!! Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com ** WEBPAGE RE-DESIGNED MAY 11/05*** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Interesting legislation.... > In a message dated 6/1/2005 2:50:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, > gsdsforlife@xxxxxxxx writes: > Whaaaatttt??? 6 litters a year is NOT a breeding facility that has alot of > hands on time with dogs.... it is a puppy mill. That is NOT a facility that is > breeding for the betterment of the breed. > > Some people co-own bitches in name only and if their co-owners all bred them, > they could technically be breeders of 6 or more litters a year and still not > have any puppies in their possession.....or in some cases if they got a puppy > from each litter, it still wouldn't amount to 1 big litter. 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