In a message dated 5/19/10 3:03:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx writes: supposedly, WD and WB are not eligible and the points will be disallowed. move-ups are allowed as are non-regular class winners. that brings me back to..........the judge has no way of knowing whether a veteran dog or bitch is a CH. lots and lots of paperwork I have the answer. After you award Best Of Breed, Best of Winners, and Best Opposite Sex, just announce that all dogs and bitches that are eligible for Grand Champion Points are given them. Let the AKC sort it out, they started it. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================