Go with the progesterone. Have the stud dog owner ship the collection once your gal reaches a 5 and breed 2 days later. Pull a test after the 5 to be sure she has continued to rise. I would think for this season, the first jump over 2 means LH surge and that she will ovulate in 2 days, but I have had plenty stall over 2 as well. That said the rule of thumb is once they hit 2, they ovulate in 2 then breed in 2 (3 for frozen). Maybe your girl read the book...who knows? Her last season means nothing...every season is different, weather changes things, other bitches coming in changes things...GL. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit http://www.pinehillgsds.com/ In a message dated 1/24/2014 11:45:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, myjoygs@xxxxxxx writes: I have a bitch in season, on day 6 we took a progesterone test came back .2, the next one we took on day 11, came back 1.2, took another one on day 14 was 2.3. The last time we bred (AI) her she had 5 pups and we bred her on the 13th and 16th, the 16th her being more receptive. We started progesterone testing but with the xmas/new year holidays everything got messed up so we went on her signs. She had the pups 63 days from her first breeding on the 13th. Supposedly that means when she ovulated. So she is flagging and is swollen, color is paling acts like she is ready, but the tests are not saying that. This will be a shipped chilled otherwise if the stud was closer I would be breeding now according to her actions. I am ole school and the color paling was always THE sign. : ) Are the progesterone tests pretty accurate? Could she just be slower this time? The weekend throws a kink into this for shipping etc. Any thoughts and advice is appreciated. MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2014. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================