Hi Fred, Actually, you know, hes not too far off base. I finished a kerry blue terrier, a sealyham and an ugly dandie dinmont from the classes with group I wins. The sealy and the Dandy never saw major competition in the breed and the kerry finished from the bred by classes and needed 2 single points to finish (after he won the 3 point major that day in the breed). Luckily, there was a 5 point major in Mini schnauzers that day and that completed the dogs championship. usually when a dog is of group winning caliber, I dont sweat it, but I know the dandy didnt deserve to win the breed--let alone a group. But hes right. Being "Qualified" doesnt make you "good". Many people can spout of a standard, but when it comes down to sorting out the dog flesh, very few people can do it in the breeds I have shown (mostly All breeds and mostly terriers and poodles). Ironically, some of the newer crop of judges coming up in my breeds are doing the very best they can, but sometimes their best aint good enough. I even had one tell me one time, "Your scottie is too short back.." (standard says, "low to the ground, short backed and powerful) and I just shook my head and walked away. The other time, (almost got suspended for running my mouth).. I lost a major in Kerry blues to one that was 23" and solid black 3 year old. ( granted mine was fat headed and not really fancy, but he was under 19" at the shoulder and BLUE!!!). The judge later told me that the other dog was a sounder mover. I reminded him regardless of how they moved.. the standard says they are suppose to be BLUE (at 18 months and over) and 19"and under. He offered to give my reserve ribbon in front of the AKC rep. I told him I would love for him to do that-- only if he brought the disqualifiable winners dog to show the AKC rep... now granted, I was out of line for running my mouth, but clearly a case where a person didnt really understand the breed. All be it, he was 'qualified" but not "smart". just my two cents. Mike Lynch ====================== www.BlackHawk-Farms.com Northern California American Saddlebred Horse Association Vice President (Class of 2007) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================