In a message dated 8/26/2005 7:15:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pmick@xxxxxxxxx writes: Now, we can all worry about PETA showing up at our specialties and maybe at the National and interfering with everyone and everybody, not to mention that people are going to have to be very careful that dogs aren't turned loose by these PETA freaks...we know they've done it as recently as this past spring, and they would just LOVE to see all the dogs running loose, fighting, etc. PETA was at a show in Wrightstown PA I attended over a three day weekend early this summer, and yes, they turned dogs loose (Akitas...what were they thinking??????), so I would suggest everyone go to Lowes or Home Depot and buy the lock sets that open w/ a master key so they can lock crates....PETA showing up can't be blamed on this incident. Quoting Peggy>>>> On top of that, the people with the cat (and yes, I looked at the pictures and I do know who they are) shouldn't be allowed to own a cat. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Boy, I swore I wasn't going to get into this.... I have personally met Hazel the cat. She is one cool cat. I have watched youngsters gait and Hazel is right in there, gaiting with them. She thinks she's a GSD lol:)))) Anyone who knows Donna & Leslie knows they live in a rural area and, unfortunately, an awful lot of people DUMP cats. These two catch the cats, PAY TO spay, neuter the cats, flea treat the cats, feed the cats and get them healthy. Hazel grew up with the dog she was doubling; they're buddies. A lot of the cats there are downright rude <G>. They demand to be pet or they dig their nails through your jeans, they demand choice tidbits to eat or you get swat with a paw...oh yeah (sarcastically), I can just tell, its a bad place to be a cat! (BTW, faced w/ the same dilemma, <someone dumping two cats>, I was on my way to Tractor Supply for a Have a Heart Trap and planned to take the dumped or feral kitties to the humane society, so they are better people than I when it comes to saving kitties.) I can't make the argument that it "looked OK". I'm sorry, though, that the people who took offense didn't speak up. They would have learned for themselves that Hazel was indeed, fine. Hazel wasn't hot. (It was a hot day.) Hazel had a cool pack under a layer of towels in her carrier and fresh water. Hazel played w/ Amanda and Olivia later. The Am Bred class winner being indignant w/ a bitch in front of her had nothing to do with Hazel the cat. That bitch hates something in front of her and was with another handler who took her back in for winners. Should have been a race horse, that one! Obviously, contrary to the BS reported on another message board, the judge, handlers, ring steward and all of the spectators had an opportunity to protest and didn't. She just gets cranky with a dog in front is all...not ideal, but hardly the end of the world. You know, while I'm on a roll, the people who took offense can just go to h***. Members of some do good rescue, who have nothing to do w/ saving the world from responsible breeders and breeders' dogs but back yard and pet shop dogs, who have been welcomed with open arms by GWDC started this fuss. GW holds a rescue parade, allows then booth space at their show AND makes donations. The folks who started all of this KNOW the people in the club and IF they took such OFFENSE (sorry to yell), knew who to speak to. Oh, I've read the diatribe on some other list and it's all well and good to make exaggerated claims and feign hysteria later (can you tell this has been building for a week?), but IF I saw cruelty, you can be damned sure I wouldn't go home, post pictures and start a ruckus on some message board; NO SIR, I'd speak up then and there....which they didn't do BECAUSE to any thinking mind, they knew the cat was fine. WHILE I'M AT IT, we found out early on that my Cody was fascinated w/ Patti Breault's toy apricot poodle, Sonny. How we found out was I held Sonny once while Patti showed Cody, Sonny screamed for his momma and aaarrrrooouuunnndd the ring Cody went. After that, we were a team <G>. Whenever we had a big win, Sonny got a box of treats delivered "from" Cody. Sonny was in no danger from Cody; in fact just the opposite....Sonny lost a baby tooth in Cody trying to get a piece of flip bone away from him. Cody was covered in (Sonny) blood, Sonny was missing a tooth. Cody stood up and that rascal poodle was hanging from the side of his face. We were all there and saw it, so Cody was in the clear. I never heard anyone say we were being "cruel" when I held Sonny outside of the ring. Maybe they did, just never to my face. It WAS cool though. Even at the all breeds, we never got "caught". Sonny was always meticulous in his show clip, so who would know? The lesson I take from all of this is that you never know who is going to show up, who has a digital or cell phone camera and we had all better tighten up and be careful. I'm more mindful at all breed shows, but who among us hasn't had a youngster act inappropriately and earn a religion lesson when we think we're in a safe place to administer it? No more. Not off your own property. (And I'm hardly cruel to dogs). You just never know who has a camera or a cell phone. As for Donna and Leslie owning cats; yes, I can think of several fortunate cats who were lucky enough to be DUMPED near their house; a whole lot luckier than they would have been being dumped near mine. I think they'll leave Hazel home from now on though. It's time for this to end. I hope no one is fined. IMO, if the club says "no big deal" and the judge says "nope, didn't see anything to be concerned about", it will all go away....at least I hope so, for all concerned. Kathy three generations of Dual Titled Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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