I believe OVC will not give a numver until the dog is 18 months old, not 12. You can prelim before 18 months but have to do it again at 18 months to get a number. There are breeders who also submit OFA failed elbows to OVC and get a number. I know a few dogs that have had this happen. OFA = 3 vet opinions OVC - 1 vet opinion (unless that has changed) I am always skeptical of a dog, who was born in the US and has always resided in the US, getting OVC certifications. This is just me. Not saying the owner has done anything wromg but why not just use OFA? I know some do OVC because they can be permanently rated at 18 months vs 24 months. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Tank <rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx> To: tanksr <tanksr@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, May 25, 2012 10:52 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Different opinions as to DM Testing Also, (Hello Evan) hat about OVC, many people prefer them to OFA, or after having OFA botch a eading..they xray at a year... or life, not prelims..so they are wrong too? have also never seen a dog personally or heard of one that had normal ips at one year , only to develop HD t two years. I am sure someone can provide evidence of this. I am alking about HD not related to injury. lso if it is not acceptable for some, to xray a dog as passing for life, t one year and is perceived as not vaild, hen of what value are prelims? Kathy http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* Updated: May 2012* CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs H. Victory's Leviathan *CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* "Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Let us not forget that the SV in checking hips, will give an A stamp at one > year. We do preliminary x-rays at one year, but do not consider OFA clear > for hips, before two. > =========================================================================== OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================