That gun metal gray puppy was a blue. He would have grown up to look very much like a B?T but would have retained the gun metal gray nose and pads. As an adult they look as though they may have walked through spider webs. Line breeding on the "F" litter produced many blues as well as some livers. Carolyn ________________________________ From: Destinogs1 <destinogs1@xxxxxxx> To: stormy435@xxxxxxxxx; izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: stjamesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx; scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:28 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable Many years ago, I bred a sable to a sable and it was a line breeding on Doppeltay's Jesse James. I got a b/t that was a blue and sables that were livers. One male puppy was born dead. He was a solid gun metal gray. I really don't know what he would have looked like if he had lived and grown up, but he was definately not a sable nor a black and tan. I've never seen that color again, nor have I ever gotten livers or blues since. This goes back to the late 60's. I've bred sables for many years and have never seen a sable born dark that got lighter and lighter with age. In my case, the sables got darker as that got older. Some of the black and tans were so light at birth that some people THOUGHT they were sables. Since sable is the dominant, not a recessive gene, one parent must be sable in order for any of the puppies to be sable. I've never gotten a sable from two black and tans, just light, washed out black and tans. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Stormy V. Hope <stormy435@xxxxxxxxx> To: izaackerman <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: stjamesgsd <stjamesgsd@xxxxxxxxxxx>; scenecrest.geo <scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd list <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:12 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable I wish that I could send the picture of my Dancer's Dancers litter. When born, here were 5 sables, 2 of them very, very dark, 2 a bit lighter, and a bit ighter yet. The four b/ts were all really dark, deeply pigmented. Storm n Feb 7, 2013, at 4:31 PM, "Iza Ackerman" <izaackerman@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Oh, Linda ! One part of your statement is very wrong. They are not all born ery light. I have often had sables that I thought were black & tans at irth - they were VERY dark - I had to bring them to very strong light to ee what their color actually was. Iza Kabuska-Ackerman ww.Karizmashepherds.com KC Breeder of Merit reeder of a Canadian Grand Victor, an American Grand Victor, nd many more beautiful dogs ! -----Original Message----- rom: Linda H. ent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 5:31 PM o: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx ; showgsd list ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable When sables are born there is no doubt of their future color. They are born ery light and get darker pigment as they grow. My last litter out of a able bitch produced 10 puppies and only one was a sable. My previous itters usually had an average of 40 % sables. Linda HendrixGoose Creek, SC ate: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 10:09:47 -0800 rom: scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx ubject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Close sable o: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Meant to say maybe they were not a sable but actual a black and tan. I ave GSD right now that has grey underlay with certain times of the year ooks able but is not. Testing for coat color sometimes might be the only way o now for sure. Theresa On Thu, 2/7/13, Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Theresa-GSD Stolz-Scenecrest Farm scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx s it possible even though they looked as though they had a saddle they ere actually a sable? Theresa On Thu, 2/7/13, Amy Greenhut wrote: arbara.......that statement is not true. I know of several people who ave bred two sables together and got black and tan puppies. I evev know f one litter where 80% of the puppies were black and tan. Since sable is he dominant gene, you would not think that would happen.......but it oes. Amy Greenhut ustrock German Shepherds ---- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Amidon You can only get a sable by breeding to a sable..Barbara Amidon If both arents are sable you will only get sable ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. 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