In a message dated 8/24/05 8:34:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx writes: This is the part that bothers me the requiring of all those matches with the excuse of learning ring procedure. If someone has finished a number of Champions, been to Nationals, have had GV, GVX, Selects etc and cannot judge because they don't know ring procedure the maybe they should not judge. Lee hits it on the head. Maybe what we need to consider is that the head of the Futurity Committee, or someone designated can "Grandfather in" someone who has knowledge or experience and substitute that for some of the restrictions. I was told that if Bob Penny wants a judges license, the AKC will be ready to give it. Maybe we need to understand that people like Christine or Tom can offer us a great deal as a judge of our Futurities, and shouldn't be restricted just because they haven't done some matches? Evan _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================