I agree, of course since I have had two c-sections myself, and could have chanced a natural delivery but was told that natural bitrth after puts you at high risk for your uterus rupturing, no thank you. So I chose c-section when I delivered my own kids after having my first wemergency c-section as well. That said, I think having a natural birth after a c-section with a bitch is dependent on why she had the c-section the first place, and how many pups were delivered. In this case, the vet said the uterus was thin, and stretched to the max and was not contracting properly to have the pups even line up into the birth canal. Her uterus was overloaded with 11 pups, all good size. Puppies were detaching, and we had a black discharge and waited four hours for her body to kick in to deliver pups. Xray and ultrasound confirmed the pups did not line up like they shuld so even giving her a shot of oxy would not help get pups out since they weren't even be in the right spot to move out. The vet said due to the thinness of the uterus, and it being so stretched out, and it not working properly to even try to get the pups out she recommended not breeding her again, since next time we may not be so lucky t have so many live pups. She said she could be wrong, but based on what she saw of her uterus this is her recommendation, or schedule a c-section if we must breed her again since she can see a repeat of this happening all over again. This is a vet who does c-sections regualarly with several bulldog breeders in the area, so I doubt this is her normal recommendation. Of course, she may be wrong. I have only had one c-section before this, and that was with one dead pup left in the uterus, so my knowledge is limited but for me as Ed knows, I do not feel comfortable but it will be interesting to see what other people have seen in a situation similar to the one we just had with our girl here sicne this is a first for me. Ann Marie www.amarigsd.com Home of Ch Fairway's Leah v Nadelwald TC ROM OFA Ch Amari's Beware of Foxy Roxy CGC TC OFA Amari's Elizabeth Taylor (Major pointed/Best in Show Bred-By winner) Breeder/Owner of R/Best in Futurity Ch Amari's Ava Gardner TC OFA Ch Amari's Bandit of Broadcreek OFA (Multiple Group Placer) Amari's Blissfull Jazz CGC TDI (Major pointed) Amari's Cinderella von Hornberger (Ch pointed) Amari's Chances Are (Ch pointed) Amari's Ella Enchanted (Ch pointed @ 7 months/Major Reserve @ 11 months) --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: C-Section To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 4:54 PM Go with what the vet said. he had his hands in there, so his is the opinion I'd trust. (Most women will tell you, once a c-section, always a c-section.) Oh sure, you can always find an occasion where a bitch delivered normally (vaginally) following a c-section, but do you REALLY want to chance the scar tissue holds??? Not me, no sir. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 5/16/2010 10:42:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: My co-breeder just last night took my bitch in for a C-Section....delivered 11 puppies...I've had a bitch have a c-section before and go on to have three more normal litters...the New York vet who did the operation stated that the bitch had a weak uterus and perhaps would need another c-section if breed again...any listers out there with experience in this?...love to hear your opinions...Ed ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2010. 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