If the crate is next to the bed where the humans sleep, then when the dog starts to fuss, the crate can be hit with a shoe or something. This startles the dog, and in that moment the dog is behaving as desired, and can be praised. When the dog is praised, with Good Crate, Good Quiet, Good Night, it take very little time for ANY dog to learn that sleeping is the only thing that will make the people happy. It takes the adverage GSD about 3 times of being corrected and praised for them to get it. And they usually do not ever fuss again in the crate, without a real crisis. A dog over 6 months can hold themselves for 8 hours of sleep. Having the dog sleep in the room where the people sleeps allows the dog to bond, and be on the ground while the humans are on the pedistale of dominace. If the dog is kept crated while the humans are away, next to the bed, and the usual stuff of bedrooms, the dog bonds with the humans whether they are there or not. And bedrooms are usually quiet so the dog is not distracted by things and rests. Yes this does mean the dog is ready to go when the time comes, but that is the price for wanting such dogs as ours. A 1/2 hour of attention in the form of a walk can make the rest of the evening wonderful. This is what I preach to my clients and I have seen the difference using this over any other placing of the crate or no crate at all. The dogs learn to sleep, on the floor, in the room, without making lots of noise, unless the dog snores, all night long. Using this training method, my dogs all sleep within 10 feet of me all the time. sheila Stormy In a message dated 12/14/07 3:44:45 PM, wernersommers@xxxxxxxxx writes: > The best bark collar is a plain collar. > And bring the dog in the house at night where it belongs, or get it a > friend. > Poor baby not even one year old. > > Werner > > --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================