I think these will be concerns that could potentially be a problem.... Please everyone I am not trying to start a feud. This is just food for thought. * We will consider that if the same dog and bitch is entered in both venues (Regular & Amateur) and wins one venue it cannot compete in the other venue. This may cause for a loss of entries: As I recall only the regular fut/mat offers points to the sire & dam. Where the amt. does not. Also if it is a different judge then this should not matter. That would be almost like saying well your dog went BIS today so you can not show tomorrow. * We will bring to the Board the idea of allowing Regular Futurity/Maturity entries to be entered in two different Regions but only shown in one. (Thus Bitches that loose coat due to coming in or that are in Season can be shown in the one in which they look the best). Just my thoughts... Most people know approx. when they can expect their bitches to blow coat. I personally do not know one person that has not shown their bitch because she is in season. Also with the fact that entries are due so early, people may not want to send in 2 entry fee's just to loose one. This could also apply for both of the reasons above. Most people I know enter the fut/mat under the judge that they think would be best for their dog/bitch But I may be wrong. Brenda Shepard -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Nancy Harper Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:10 PM To: Scharo777@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Ameteur Futurity-Southwest Point of View Yes, Carol's club did well because they put a good Committee group together. They sold all kinds of ads for the Catalogue which padded their income. And the good news is that we will have a better production for ads for 08. So here are some of the PROPOSED CHANGES subject to Board approval of course. *Juniors will handle in the Amateur regardless of household * We will debate if dogs/bitches should be shown in both venues for the Amateur venue. * We will consider that if the same dog and bitch is entered in both venues (Regular & Amateur) and wins one venue it cannot compete in the other venue. * We will bring to the Board the idea of allowing Regular Futurity/Maturity entries to be entered in two different Regions but only shown in one. (Thus Bitches that loose coat due to coming in or that are in Season can be shown in the one in which they look the best). * We will allow those that condition or train others dog/bitches to show their own breeding only in the Amateur venue. Thanks to all of you for expressing your thoughts and ideas. Everyone has something to offer. Nancy Harper National Futurity Chair ----- Original Message ----- From: <Scharo777@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Ameteur Futurity-Southwest Point of View Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been the San Antonio Club's futurity Chair for 25 years. Every show we have done has made money. Even the fiasco with a very low entry in 2006 made $1100., just on the futurity. We made much more on the shows. We can learn from mistakes. And I know the next futurity we do will be better attended. We will do a futurity for the Southwest Region at any time. And we will bid every year. If you are holding a futurity one day, we feel we can do an ameteur futurity the same day without a lot more effort The ring is there. It would probably be in the same catalogue with little extra expense. I await word from the clubs actually doing one if it contributed to the financial success of their shows. I'm not sure how you could just add an aneteur class, with all the different ages of dogs Just my opinion. Carol ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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