In a message dated 12/17/11 8:34:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, marcatoshepherds@xxxxxxxxx writes: *When the Martins were in control in Germany they felt the roach was the right thing to do.* Which bugs me to no end. It shouldn't have mattered what they felt...the standard has never called for a roachy back. They're Shepherds, not Whippets or Bedlingtons That is why our GSDCA President does not judge our National each year. The American apporach is very different. There was talk between me and a past president of the GSDCA that while in office our President should not be showing. I am not sure I agree with that, but I do know it sort of has been the tradition. The SV president does judge their show, or at least that is how it used to be. I am not sure if it is still going on or not. I don't spend much time thinking about what they do in Germany, or Ireland either. Evan Ginsburg Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================