I would like to thank Christine and Barbara for pointing out exactly what I would have pointed out had I had the time to put out a post. Now that I have the time to write something, let me say this about that -- with all the "bildgewater" the AKC has had to deal with over the years from GSD people, but most especially this year with rule violations at futurities, issues with balloting and election(s), the Hunte issue and related issues derived from that and of course the infamous lawsuit still underway -- Can you imagine that complaining to anyone at the AKC is going to result in a completely open mind when it comes to A) responding to complaints by GSD people B) Believing the complaints C) wanting to do anything about it for GSD people? They are sick of us -- and frankly, I don't think I blame them. Obviously I wasn't at the shows in question -- however, I've been to a few various shows where the behavior of shepherd people is often outrageous. If there were bells in evidence at these shows then SHAME ON YOU! Good stinking grief, it's an all-breed show! First of all, you should be using more than one sound to get your dog going, and if you intend on showing at All-Breeds, you better make that sound INNOCUOUS. I know a lady in our area that shows her animals very successfully. She's got her doubling down to an art -- her dogs show well, but, I highly doubt any Rep will ever give her a bad time because... her doubling is so INNOCUOUS, that who can tell it's really doubling? Her dogs know -- she knows, I know - anyone who knows doubling knows... but it's not offensive and the rest of the rings wouldn't even know its happening. Imagine this scenario if you will -- Like Christine says; the AKC makes the GSD people the poster child for all that's wrong with the system. And like Judi wrote -- writes up a rule that clearly defines doubling and makes it a HARD FAST RULE that anyone caught doing it will be under a suspension until investigation, kicked from the grounds, or whatever they deem fit to make it have some teeth. Trust me -- I've shown in Canada plenty of times -- YOU DO NOT WANT THIS! If the people in question felt truly in need of vindication for this Rep's apparent "abuse" Why didn't you file a misconduct complaint with the Bench Show Committee and bring her up on charges? They would have HAD to deal with her per AKC's own rules. Several complaints at the show might have actually made some headway if this rep is wayward. Not making the complaint then, or like has been suggested -- call the cops AKC would have woken up on that. Not doing either of these things and moving onto complaints on a list and emails flying in left and right -- doesn't add any credence to the complaints or the complainers. I agree the Rep shouldn't have put her hands on you -- but I'm sure if you read the Rules Pertaining to Misconduct, you'd have found reason to write her up. Make it your New Years Resolution to 1) Read the AKC Code of Good Sportsmanship 2) Read the German Shepherd Dog Standard 3x 3) Take the Time to read the AKC Rules Pertaining to Dog Shows and Rules Pertaining to Misconduct at Dog Shows 4) If you plan on showing at All Breed shows and your dog "needs" doubling -- teach him/her 3 different INNOCOUS sounds to accomplish it with -- and teach them to bait if they will. Regards, Kathaleen ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================