rollei_list Digest Fri, 28 Sep 2007 Volume: 03 Issue: 238
In This Issue:
[rollei_list] Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
[rollei_list] test
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
[rollei_list] Fw: Re: Re: Rollei 35S, SE
[rollei_list] Fw: Re: Re: Rollei 35S, SE
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] camera show Sunday Sept. 30, Tyson's Corner, V
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] Items FS 28 SEP 2007
[rollei_list] NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS: PLEASE READ
[rollei_list] Erwin Puts Leica CD-Rom
[rollei_list] FS: A Book on Non-Leitz LTM Lenses
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] Post-CLA test shots...
[rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
[rollei_list] OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros - New Yo
[rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros - Ne
[rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros - Ne
[rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros - Ne
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:19:29 -0400
From: Mike Kovacs <mskovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
I too have a Rollei 35 (black, Singapore, made by Rollei Tessar
40/3.5). Its a superb little picture taker with an accurate meter,
extremely flat film gate and sharp little Tessar lens. It is ideal
for
shooting 400 speed film IMO, which gives you a little more room to
stop
down and cover focus errors.
My home town of Port Dover Ontario:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/338531303_dceb139e5f_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/338531305_74ac783427_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/338531307_a9cd5d99c2_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/338531311_a484515b29_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/338531309_a3d0dea8ef_o.jpg
I also took it on a trip to England last year: (first two Cambridge,
latter three London)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/327200439_995b608443_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/327200446_f9dc3cf184_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/327200440_cb4ded94a9_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/327200448_e9487b2237_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/327200452_6249e7366a_o.jpg
Enjoy!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:21:43 -0700
From: Laurence Cuffe <cuffe@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
=20
On Friday, September 28, 2007, at 12:21AM, "Jeff Kelley"
<thocker@xxxxxxxxx=
om> wrote:
Larry,
=20
Here's a bit of Olympus Stylus history, including a diagram of the
35mm F2=
.8 lens:
http://www.wrotniak.net/photo/stylus/index.html
=20
The Stylus Epic has had its current shape for a lot of years. I
don't rec=
all the "Epic" with the f/2.8 having another shape.
=20
Jeff
Looking at that web site, I stand corrected. Mine was the 3.5 not
the 2.8 a=
nd, as the web site you gave indicates, it had a different shape.
Thanks for the heads up. Thats a nice piece on the cameras there,
tempts me=
to go out and chase up another one.
All the best
Larry
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:56:22 -0700> From: cuffe@xxxxxxx> To:
rollei_li=
st@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and
Olympus =
Stylus> > > On Thursday, September 27, 2007, at 12:38PM, "Jeff
Kelley" <tho=
cker@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:> >> >I have 2 of these. They are called
"Olympic S=
tylus Epic."> > > >The fixed 35mm lens is pretty incredible. I keep
black &=
white film in one and color film in the other. I usually grab one
or both =
whenever I leave the house....> > > >They are still available:>
>http://tin=
yurl.com/24sltd> > Nah, Thats not it. the original version wasn't
so wedge =
shaped. This one may have the same lens, and as I recall that some
of the o=
riginal 2.8's had a problem with the auto focus, so this one may be
a bette=
r buy, but its not the original.> All the best> Larry Cuffe> --->
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:49:03 -0700
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
Nice shots Mike! Really nice!
Richard S.
San Francisco
My Commute Photo Blog
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
My Flickr Page
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On 9/28/07, Mike Kovacs <mskovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I too have a Rollei 35 (black, Singapore, made by Rollei Tessar
40/3.5). Its a superb little picture taker with an accurate meter,
extremely flat film gate and sharp little Tessar lens. It is
ideal for
shooting 400 speed film IMO, which gives you a little more room to
stop
down and cover focus errors.
My home town of Port Dover Ontario:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/338531303_dceb139e5f_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/338531305_74ac783427_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/338531307_a9cd5d99c2_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/338531311_a484515b29_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/338531309_a3d0dea8ef_o.jpg
I also took it on a trip to England last year: (first two Cambridge,
latter three London)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/327200439_995b608443_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/327200446_f9dc3cf184_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/327200440_cb4ded94a9_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/327200448_e9487b2237_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/327200452_6249e7366a_o.jpg
Enjoy!
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From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:15:56 -0700
One can always get an Holga and practice zone focusing with it.
s.d.
On Sep 28, 2007, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kovacs wrote:
I too have a Rollei 35 (black, Singapore, made by Rollei Tessar
40/3.5). Its a superb little picture taker with an accurate meter,
extremely flat film gate and sharp little Tessar lens. It is ideal
for shooting 400 speed film IMO, which gives you a little more room
to stop down and cover focus errors.
My home town of Port Dover Ontario:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/338531303_dceb139e5f_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/338531305_74ac783427_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/338531307_a9cd5d99c2_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/338531311_a484515b29_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/338531309_a3d0dea8ef_o.jpg
I also took it on a trip to England last year: (first two
Cambridge, latter three London)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/327200439_995b608443_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/327200446_f9dc3cf184_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/327200440_cb4ded94a9_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/327200448_e9487b2237_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/327200452_6249e7366a_o.jpg
Enjoy!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:01:22 -0700
Subject: [rollei_list] test
From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
guys, I'm receiving posts,but all mine are bouncing.....
Peter Nebergall
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From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Tessar Shots
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:28:12 +0000
Or even better, a Trip 35 - has an f2.8, 35mm and two whole shutter
speeds. Althoug I've been finding them for sale for way too much
money. Some people are nuts, anything over $20 is too much (and
that's even cheaper than the Holgo).
E.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
One can always get an Holga and practice zone focusing with it.
s.d.
On Sep 28, 2007, at 5:19 AM, Mike Kovacs wrote:
I too have a Rollei 35 (black, Singapore, made by Rollei Tessar
40/3.5). Its a superb little picture taker with an accurate meter,
extremely flat film gate and sharp little Tessar lens. It is ideal
for shooting 400 speed film IMO, which gives you a little more room
to stop down and cover focus errors.
My home town of Port Dover Ontario:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/338531303_dceb139e5f_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/338531305_74ac783427_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/151/338531307_a9cd5d99c2_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/338531311_a484515b29_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/338531309_a3d0dea8ef_o.jpg
I also took it on a trip to England last year: (first two
Cambridge, latter three London)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/327200439_995b608443_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/327200446_f9dc3cf184_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/327200440_cb4ded94a9_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/327200448_e9487b2237_o.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/327200452_6249e7366a_o.jpg
Enjoy!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:50:05 -0700
Subject: [rollei_list] Fw: Re: Re: Rollei 35S, SE
From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:37:47 -0700
Subject: Re: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35S, SE
I just had an Elmar do that!
And, I have a Tessar 80 2.8 uncoated (super Ikonta B) that blows the
doors of all my other 6x6cm cameras...
PJ Nebergall
Another question: I have a new book of text and photos by Richard
Schultes, who spent decades in the Amazon basin with a Rolleiflex
-- but
Wade Davis, his reviewer, seems to think his Automat (we're talking
40's
and early 50's) was f2.8. When were the first f2.8 lenses mounted
on a
Rolleiflex?
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:40:04 +0000 aghalide@xxxxxxx writes:
sometimes it ain't the fault 0f the lens. This applies to non-rollei
lenses as well. Many moons ago I purchased a Kodak Medalist 6x9 to go
along with my stable of Rolleis. Again, I reference Schwalberg, the
maven
of Wetzlar. We breakfast and lunched almost every day from 1972 to
1985
or so, when we officed at 1 Park Ave " at Popular Photograhy. I wish I
had my tape recorder going, but instead I must rely on memories.
According to Bopp or as known by non-Wetzlar people, Bob, Kodak's best
lens is the 100mm f/3.5 Ektar on the Medalist. "it's a great
Tessar", I
remember him saying. My new-old Medalist Ektar was a bit foggy. I
brought
it to Professional Camera Repair in NYC. Marty handed it to Buddy for
cleaning. Got it back in about one-week. Every thing took one week,
unless it was an overnight and the photographer was going to Selma or
whereever the next day. I remember Marty repairing cameras used by
photographers documenting the March for free. I got the M edalis t
back
the next week and then ran a roll of 120 (I had it changed from 620 to
120 by the Bald Mountain guys. Wide open it wasn't so good. Could
Schwalberg be wrong? Could that Tesssar-type lens be not so good?
A few months later I stuck my finger inside the back of the camera and
found the rear elements were loose. Could Buddy have not tightened it
all the way in? So I did. And the frog became a Prince. This could be
the case with Xenars, Xenotars, Planars and even Tessars. Ed Meyers
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:50:55 -0700
Subject: [rollei_list] Fw: Re: Re: Rollei 35S, SE
From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
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From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:29:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35S, SE
Agreed. I have had fabulous luck withTriotars in Contax (II) and
Exakta
mount; some of them are considered so bad as to bark by themselves...
but mine are good. Also, I have biotars of all vintage -- the
earliest
ones are 100% Kack, and they seem to get better as they go -- as
much as
to be unrecognizable. Some is taphonomy; individual item
preservation --
and some is no doubt poor quality control, but I suspect a lot is
simple
human assembly...
PJ Nebergall
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Mike Bischof
<nbg90455@xxxxxxxxx> write
I think that the slight variations in cameras and lenses causes 70% of
the vivid discussions on camera lists about which item is good and
which
is a dog (including such interesting topics as Tessar vs. Xenar).
At the
end of the day, individuals sometimes get lucky and sometimes they
don't.
Case in point, I have a f4/18mm Distagon AE in Contax C/Y mount,
which is
generally considered one of the worst dogs of the Contax lens lineup.
However, my version seems to buck that opinion. It's an amazing
lens with
tremendous sharpness, contrast and all the other characteristics one
would want (except bokeh, I suppose, as its DOF really never gives you
out-of-focus areas ;-) ). It's not an everyday-type lens, but I have a
fair number of negatives from that lens and I can print them as
large as
any of my 35mm negatives without any adverse visual effects...
Cheers,
Mike
Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Interesting comparisons and opinions there Jerry.
I agree in some ways but think that different cameras and so many of
their own idiosyncrasies and aspects of condition I fear has more to
do with lens performances than the actual formula of the lens. I have
a Tessar on my Zeiss Ikon Contessa that is a fine performer. The
Tessar on my 35T is even sharper IMO. But the Tessar on my Certo
Super Sport Dolly:
http://thumbs.photo.net/photo/1894830-sm.jpg
Is sort of soft. And then the Xenotar (which you seem dissatisfied
with) on my 3.5E3 Rolleiflex is amazingly sharp, sharper for sure than
any of my Tessar lensed cameras.
Richard S.
San Francisco
See my Commute Photo Blog!
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
My Flickr Page
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/
On 9/26/07, Jerry Friedman wrote:
Even Tessars seem to differ. I have used Tessars on Super
Ikonta cameras, Rollei 35, a Welta and a Rollei T tlr. I
have always found Tessars good performers but still a
little bit too soft. But, the Tessar on both of my Rollei T
tlr cameras are truly sharp and contrasty, indeed they are
my favorite lenses. Just today i went through a ritual i
go through about twice a year. I put film through my Rollei
3.5E(2) Xenotar to prove to myself that it does not perform
as well as the Tesars on the Rollei T. I keep imagining
that perghaps next time it will test better but it never
does, not at the center and there is no noticed differences
even in the corners. Very soon I will decide, finally, to
sell the Xenotar. Resolution is excellent on all the lenses
but the Tessar just has more bite.
Part of this is, no doubt, a question of assembly. Perhaps
the Rollei lenses were more carfully centered. You know how
Welta centered their lens assembly? With a flashlight. Same
with Franka. Both of these companies used Xenars on their
best cameras but for a long time Xenars were available for
far less money, esp. before the war. This is why one finds
so many secondary brand cameras with Xenars. But, how good
were they if they were assembled and centered with a
flashlight beam? On the other hand, while i do not seem to
like the Schneider lenses I have used, I did have a Franka
Rolfix with 105mm f/3.5 Radionar that performed really
exceptionally. So well in fact, that I bought other Rolfixs
in hope of finding another one that good. But this was the
only one that was so exceptional. Better centering? So, of
course, i sold it only to continually regret this.
But, before I find myself ensnared in a battle about
Xenotars, let me also say that i have never particularly
liked Planars either though resolution is indeed
exceptional. Indeed, i sold a GX simply because it was too
expensive to lug around with me when i was not too thrilled
with its performance. Yes, no doubt I am a troglodite with
too many thumbs, but we find favorites where we find them.
Do any of you know about Robot's experience with Zeiss and
Schneider lenses? Their post war surveillance cameras used
Schneider lenses and Israeli intelligence, who have
designed the most recent Robot gifts, also prefer
Schneider lenses. Beats me.
Jerry Friedman
--- Richard Sintchak wrote:
Although subject to debate (like what is not in
photography?) most
consider the Xenar and Tessar similar if not pretty much
identical.
On 9/26/07, eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
The S-Xenar is a Tessar with another name?
E.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Richard Sintchak"
Yes, quirky they are. I have a 35T which I find gives
beautiful
images, especially for B&W. Just got a 35S with the
Sonnar lens.
Only a few rolls thru so far so I'm reserving
judgement vs. my Contax
T2 and it's Sonnar lens but my sense is they are
certainly not
identical, or do not seem so. More later on my 35S.
In the meantime here are some images with my 35T and
Tessar lens:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Rollei35T&w=38698047%40N00
Richard S.
San Francisco
My Commute Photo Blog
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
My Flickr Page
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/
On 9/26/07, Roger Wiser wrote:
Jerry, interesting comments. After owning SE, T,
2-S's,
I wished I would have kept the German made model.
They
were well made nice picture takers but had their
quirks.
And ..... I compleltely agree with your analysis
of the ergonomics
and propensity to dent corners, not to mention the
use of flash.
I had two repaired by Harry Fleenor. In spite of
the cost of the
cameras and repairs, my cost and expenses were
adequately
recovered when I sold the cameras on eBay. Foreign
buyers
were seeking then at the time.
I might add that these little cameras held their
value, especially
when I indicated that repairs were by Harry. They
are still
in demand.
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Friedman"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:49 AM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35S, SE
The problem you will find using a separate range
finder is
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From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:12:26 -0700
I see.
I wonder if the hyphen was dropped typographically by printers who =20
didn't know the term?
s.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
At 10:45 AM 9/26/2007, Allen Zak wrote:
That means he takes measure to protect the right flank of his battle
unit against attack by an enemy. An army in the field has sides,
=20
known
as flanks, as well as a front. Those sides are often vulnerable
to a
flank attack because most of the weapons and deployment for combat
takes place at the front.
Allen is correct. "Refuse" was a common tactical and operational =20
term in the days of the US Civil War but has since fallen out of =20
common military use. It is "re-fuse" (as in, "fuse again") and
not =20=
"refuse" (as in to decline to do something). Imagine this: a =20
battle develops and both sides push off to the flanks in an effort
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continue the line, it will pull back its exposed flank into a loop
=20
connecting back to its own line. A fine example is that of
Colonel =20=
Chamberlain with the 20th Maine at Little Round Top at
Gettysburg. =20=
It worked -- and he refused to the front and not to the rear as
was =20=
more commonly done.
Marc
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Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir!
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From: "Jerry Laderberg" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] camera show Sunday Sept. 30, Tyson's Corner,
Virginia
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:41:29 -0400
Details : www.photorama.com
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:49:40 -0400
From: Michael Eric Berube <pj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
Our local pro shop has 5 or 6 left of the black Epics with are non-QD
and a few of the silver QD models still in stock.
Great P&S for film. Can't beat them for less than $100.
Be well,
Michael Eric Berube
Jeff Kelley wrote:
By the way, I found on the Olympus site that the Epic Stylus has been
discontinued so B&H must have some of the last new stock.
<http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx%20>
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:57:01 -0400
From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
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From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:13:37 +0000
Stop blaming the printers!
: )
E.
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
I see.
I wonder if the hyphen was dropped typographically by printers who
didn't know the term?
s.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
At 10:45 AM 9/26/2007, Allen Zak wrote:
That means he takes measure to protect the right flank of his
battle
unit against attack by an enemy. An army in the field has sides,
known
as flanks, as well as a front. Those sides are often vulnerable
to a
flank attack because most of the weapons and deployment for combat
takes place at the front.
Allen is correct. "Refuse" was a common tactical and operational
term in the days of the US Civil War but has since fallen out of
common military use. It is "re-fuse" (as in, "fuse again") and not
"refuse" (as in to decline to do something). Imagine this: a
battle develops and both sides push off to the flanks in an effort
to envelop the enemy. When one side runs short of troops to
continue the line, it will pull back its exposed flank into a loop
connecting back to its own line. A fine example is that of Colonel
Chamberlain with the 20th Maine at Little Round Top at Gettysburg.
It worked -- and he refused to the front and not to the rear as was
more commonly done.
Marc
msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:18:46 -0400
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
At 12:57 PM 9/28/2007, Eric Goldstein wrote:
Looks like you need to inform the Merriam-Webster people, who
provided
the definition and derivation...
Eric
I would suggest that you revisit your library and=20
dig out the notes Tolkien made while serving as a=20
contributing editor to the OED. He recognized=20
that dictionary definitions can be helpful but can never be
dispositive.
The term "refuse" has been properly set out and=20
defined in military dictionaries since the=20
1840's. It is covered in detail in "Brains"=20
Hallecks writings and in Daniel Havey Hill's book=20
on basic tactics, both dating from the 1850's. I=20
have no time for Merriam-Webster, which now=20
produces works more full of errors, apparently,=20
than facts -- come over to the Anglo-Saxon List,=20
where their entries are occasionally the subject=20
of protracted horror for their inadequacies and errors.
Marc
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Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:40:35 -0700
From: "Richard Sintchak" <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35 Classic and Olympus Stylus
A lot have been going for as little as $20 on eBay!
On 9/28/07, Michael Eric Berube <pj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Our local pro shop has 5 or 6 left of the black Epics with are non-QD
and a few of the silver QD models still in stock.
Great P&S for film. Can't beat them for less than $100.
Be well,
Michael Eric Berube
Jeff Kelley wrote:
By the way, I found on the Olympus site that the Epic Stylus has
been
discontinued so B&H must have some of the last new stock.
<http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx%20>
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From: Jeff Kelley <thocker@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:50:21 -0700
...come over to the Anglo-Saxon List, > where their entries are
occasionally the subject > of protracted horror for their
inadequacies and errors.> > Marc>
Now there's an invitation! I've been longing for more protracted
horror in my life.
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:26:11 -0400
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Items FS 28 SEP 2007
TERMS:
Shipping charges extra
10-day MBG from receipt
Leica Items:
4.5/12cm E Leitz Micro Summar, clean glass, worn body,
with unknown adapter,
E 300.00
Box for lens case ETBIX/14565 (50mm Summitar, Summicron,
Summitar),
E 25.00
E Leitz New York small box, marked "73151" (might be a Prewar
number for an aperture-control device for a taking lens used
on an enlarger), shop worn,
E- 10.00
Vivitar 252 Flash with M2/M3 cord,
E 25.00
CEYOO Flash Gun, FB, Instruction cards, test bulb,
E 50.00
Leitz A36 SL filter, some discoloration, plastic keeper,
E 10.00
Leitz Projection Lens Calculator, no Leitz number, E (have two
copies) 25.00
Original German-language Leicaflex SL-2 Brochure, the suppressed
'Nipple' version, Leitz Brochure 111-102, 9/74, E
(have four
copies) 40.00
Morgan, Willard D., Henry M. Lestr, et alii. The Leica Manual.
Reprint
of 1st (1935) edition. Dobbs Ferry, New York: Morgan &
Morgan, 1977. ISBN 0-87100-118-7. DJ,
E+. 30.00
Zeiss and Zeiss-Ikon Items:
4.5/4.5cm Carl Zeiss Jena Mikrotar 227936, does not
focus
properly
150.00
Voigtlander Zoomar Depth-of-Field Calculator,
E 75.00
Lens hood, 37 (?)mm female threads, 391/70,
E 40.00
Lens hood, 40.5mm female threads, 1113, E (20.0704 for
Ikonta?) 40.00
Three generic telephoto rear lens caps for Contax, 20.0610,
E 20.00 ea
Carl Zeiss S40.5 1m Proxar,
E 10.00
Carl Zeiss S40.5 1m Proxar, FB and plastic keeper, all
E 15.00
Carl Zeiss S4.0.5 0.5m Proxar, FB and plastic keeper, all
E 15.00
Rolleiflex Items:
Rollei E15B flash IB,
E 20.00
Display or Darkroom Items:
Ilford loader for spooling film from 35mm cassette onto
Ilford Auto-Winder spool, one spool in box, and
Ilford Darkroom tank with one Auto-Winder
spool,
E+
35.00
Kindermann 16mm reel in box,
LN 18.00
Nikor 35mm tank w/reel,
E 20.00
Miscellany:
Sekonic Auto-Lumi selenium meter, Model L-158,
E 25.00
Accura Expomat light meter, leather ERC, light cone,
working condition unknown,
E 20.00
3.5/37.5 Rodenstock-Eutelon cine lens, 4475275, caps,
E 35.00
2X JSK Longar 5314843 cine lens, caps,
E 35.00
Alpa T-Mount Adapter,
E- 25.00
Sears 8465 tripod,
E 25.00
Flash Kodaguide,
E
5.00
Kodak Projection Print Scale, FB,
E 5.00
Canon Canonet QL-19 w/case,
E 60.00
Kodak Jiffy Series II in worn, torn, and incomplete box,
E 25.00
Schulz, Alexander. SPIEGEL-CONTAX. Lindemann's Verlag 2000.
E+ condition. NOTE: Text is in
German. 20.00
70mm 15 foot (4.5m) cassette, E (I have five for
sale) 10.00 each
Graflex 70mm back,
E 50.00
B+W Series VII 010 Filter, Leitz plastic case,
E 30.00
Agfa Viking, f/6.3 Agfa Viking lens, FB, IB, box shopworn,
otherwise
E+/M- 15.00
Agfa Readyset Special, Readyset lens, worn and torn FB,
E-. 15.00
Kodak Autographic 3A w/B&L f/6.3 No. 4 Anastigmat lens, s/n
3161263, in Kodamatic shutter, overall condition E,
but with serious
leather-peeling 50.00
Kodak Cine-Kodak Eight, Model 25, E
+ 25.00
Kodak Instamatic X-90,
E 25.00
Kodak Junior Vigilant Six-20, difficulty locking front standard
into position,
E- 15.00
Kodak Pocket Instamatic 100, vinyl
ERC 10.00
Sears Seroco 4" by 5" folding plate camera kit, including camera in
E+ c
ondition (Seroco lens in Wollensak shutter), four film
holders,
two missing dark
slides 175.00
Seneca Boy Scout 2A,
E- 12.00
Dark-Room Items:
Schneider 4/50 Componon enlarging lens 9074658,
E 60.00
Schneider 5.6/80 Componon enlarging lens 11840738, M39 adapter,
E 60.00
Marc
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:25:56 -0400
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] NEW ADMINISTRATIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS: PLEASE READ!
List Folks:
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enough, marked with a subject heading of OLD STANDARD ROLLEIFLEX
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:25:51 -0400
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Erwin Puts Leica CD-Rom
I am the American agent for Erwin Puts' estimable=20
CD-Rom of Leica documents. The original=20
production run is long sold out, but I can supply=20
burned copies in a jewel case for $US 15, with=20
postage of $5.00 to the US, $10.00 to Canada, and=20
at actual cost elsewhere in the Americas.
This CD-ROM includes 170 Leitz documents,=20
covering the Leica models from 1925 to 1965, both threadmount and
for the
M1,2, & 3, with accessories. The documents are=20
in Adobe Acrobat format, and can be printed out=20
as needed. The documents come from the Leica=20
archives and are reproduced by permission. (The=20
Adobe Acrobat Reader is available at no charge on the 'Net.)
This is an invaluable tool for those interested in Leica history.
Pricelists, instruction books, and marketing information are
included. The
swathe of history included is immense; the technical information is
outstanding.
Marc
msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:25:54 -0400
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] FS: A Book on Non-Leitz LTM Lenses
My book, NON-LEITZ LTM LENSES: A 39mm DIVERSITY,=20
has finally gone out of print. I received=20
yesterday the final shipment of the books Dr=20
Wittig had. The book remains available for=20
reprint but this seems unlikely. This work was=20
written in the early 1990's and is no longer the=20
final word, as we have had a lot of research,=20
especially on Soviet/Post-Soviet lenses. But it=20
is still the only work of its kind and is the=20
single source for the state of our knowledge as=20
of the date of its publication. (SOMEDAY, I'll=20
do a Second Edition, but only if some of you guys=20
stop discovering new matters I ought to include!)
These books are new stock. They will be=20
autographed and will include an interim Errata et Corrigenda sheet.
The price is $US35 for those in the US and Canada=20
and $US 40 to those in the rest of the universe,=20
and, yes, I've already sold several copies to=20
those three-legged guys on Mars. <he grins>
Marc
msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir!
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:35:08 -0400
From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
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From: Jeff Kelley <thocker@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Post-CLA test shots...
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:11:21 -0700
WARNING: ROLLEIFLEX RELATED POST!
I recently had Harry Fleenor do a CLA on my 1956 MX-EVS. He
rebuilt the shutter, self-timer, and more. Thanks Harry!
These are from the first 2 rolls after the CLA. Click the
thumbnails for large view:
http://photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=769863
-Jeff Kelley-
_________________________________________________________________
Discover the new Windows Vista
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE
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From: slobodan dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: meaning of term
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:17:14 -0700
Thanks!
As for the rest of the dictionary stuff--you guys are on your own!
s.d.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
At 10:45 AM 9/26/2007, Allen Zak wrote:
That means he takes measure to protect the right flank of his battle
unit against attack by an enemy. An army in the field has sides,
=20
known
as flanks, as well as a front. Those sides are often vulnerable
to a
flank attack because most of the weapons and deployment for combat
takes place at the front.
Allen is correct. "Refuse" was a common tactical and operational =20
term in the days of the US Civil War but has since fallen out of =20
common military use. It is "re-fuse" (as in, "fuse again") and
not =20=
"refuse" (as in to decline to do something). Imagine this: a =20
battle develops and both sides push off to the flanks in an effort
=20
to envelop the enemy. When one side runs short of troops to =20
continue the line, it will pull back its exposed flank into a loop
=20
connecting back to its own line. A fine example is that of
Colonel =20=
Chamberlain with the 20th Maine at Little Round Top at
Gettysburg. =20=
It worked -- and he refused to the front and not to the rear as
was =20=
more commonly done.
Marc
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:02 -0400
From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros - New
York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Photographers-
Film.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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From: Douglas Nygren <dnygr@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros -
New York Tim
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:00:32 -0400
Good to hear I'm not alone. Thanks for posting the article.
Doug
On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:23 PM, Eric Goldstein wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Photographers-
Film.html?
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:54:09 -0300 (ART)
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros -
New York Tim
Interesting article Eric, thank you; similar results
and even better for film use were obtained in Europe.
All the best
Carlos
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From: "Robert Lilley" <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Film Still Popular Among the Pros -
New York Tim
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:41:57 -0400
This is refreshing to hear. =20
Rob
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