[rollei_list] Re: Rolleiflex TLR Viewing Lens Provenance

  • From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 19:13:00 +0000 (GMT)

Mike, I have the original book in German and the
translation booklet into English by Gunther Richter
approved by Prochnow, I read both version and then I
improve my bad German. The German word for "Grey" is
"Grau", the German word for "clear" is "hell". In the
German version, the camera description says "Helle
Stellräder...", the English version says " Bright
dials ...", the photographs shown in the Report I are
B&W and look like this one:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050309131645/www.rolleiclub.com/rollei/tlr/004.htm


And this color one is from John's Rollei collection:

http://johnsrolleionlypage.homestead.com/files/Rolleiflex_automat_1B_627701_Large.JPG

All the best
Carlos
 --- Mike Kovacs <mskovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

> I have seen many early Automats with grey wheels in
> person - many more 
> on ebay.  I have never seen one with clear wheels. 
> Its definitely a 
> textured paint finish on the grey inserts.  Are you
> reading the original 
> German text in Prochnow or a translation?
> 
> Can anybody else add some information to shed light
> on this?
> 
> 
> Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
> 
> >Mike, congratulations for your restoration work, it
> >looks professional and the PC socket too. Prochnow
> >shows a Rolleicord with the very rare Xenar 4.5/75
> and
> >an adapted PC socket placed beside the taking lens
> >lower part.
> >According your camera serial number it's an Automat
> >III model for Prochnow and an Automat II for
> Parker.
> >For Prochnow it would be an Automat III because it
> has
> >the Bayonet 1 for both lenses and no engraved name
> in
> >the viewfinder lens ring. According Prochnow there
> no
> >Automats with "gray" wheels, they are clear for the
> >Automat I and II and black for the Automat III and
> >then it's difficult to say if your camera wheels
> are
> >discolored black wheels or darkened clear wheels...
> >anyway it's always possible your camera suffered
> some
> >parts change along the years.
> >As I wrote previously, your camera Carl Zeiss Jena
> >serial number is for a lens manufactured on 1941
> >according the data and date that Prochnow obtained
> >from Carl Zeiss archives, if the lens is original
> it
> >onlu could be for an Automat III.-
> >
> >All the best
> >Carlos
> >
> >
> > --- Mike Kovacs <mskovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Carlos, I restored this camera to shooting
> condition
> >>myself.  I don't 
> >>own Prochnow, though I probably should!
> >>
> >>The Compur Rapid shutter had what looked like a
> >>factory parts PC synch 
> >>conversion (nicely done) but the synch terminal
> was
> >>some sort of 
> >>non-standard connection located in that position
> you
> >>see.  When I 
> >>restored the camera, I replaced that terminal with
> a
> >>locking PC socket 
> >>taken from a junker Kiev 4 camera.  So from a
> >>collectors standpoint its 
> >>been modified, but its a wonderful shooter for the
> >>days I'm in the mood 
> >>for an uncoated Tessar look.
> >>
> >>You can't see the cable release socket but this
> >>camera has the button 
> >>style release with the cable release socket on the
> >>opposide side, behind 
> >>where the lens hood is blocking.
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
>
>http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/PrewarAutomat1.jpg
> >  
> >
> >>
> >>Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Mike, my source is Claus Prochnow, Rollei Report
> 1,
> >>>anyway I'm seeing that your camera seems to have
> a
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>PC
> >>    
> >>
> >>>socket beside the viewing lens and then your
> camera
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>is
> >>    
> >>
> >>>a modified Automat, it's not original, the PC
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>socket
> >>    
> >>
> >>>was one of the upgrades for the Automat, the
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>Bayonet
> >>    
> >>
> >>>for the viewing lens is also an upgrade, ¿what is
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>your
> >>    
> >>
> >>>camera serial number? ¿Could you show a
> photograph
> >>>where we can see the camera shutter release
> button
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>and
> >>    
> >>
> >>>the cable release socket?.
> >>>The first Rolleiflex camera with PC socket
> original
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>from factory was the Rolleiflex 3.5 X from 1949.-
> >>    
> >>
> >>>All the best
> >>>Carlos
> >>>      
> >>>
> >
> >
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