Stan, Excellent suggestion! I have been using Leicas since 1946, but had never considered this condition. I tried to simulate that problem, and yes, it did occur. Believe it or not, I thought that a free spinning sprocket wheel would help, but it did not. Jerry Stan Yoder wrote: > I don't know what this subject is doing on a Rollei list, but: > > When loading an LTM, it helps (me, at least) to first wind - but not release > - the shutter. This > locks the sprocket wheel, which otherwise revolves fairly freely if the > shutter has not been wound. > Thus, if the film being loaded does not immediately engage the sprocket > wheel, it tens to turn WITH > the film as the latter is advanced, sometimes never engaging. With the > sprocket locked and > immovable, the film will pass over it until the film perfs match the > sprockets and drop in. > > Leica IBs for the LTMs suggest this (winding the shutter first.) > > Stan Yoder > Pittsburgh > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.5/321 - Release Date: 04/21/2006 --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list