Thanks Tim, that's a good idea. I will have to search out gel filters now but should be easier than Zeiss filters. ;-) Best wishes John ________________________________ From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ellestad Sent: 10 December 2007 20:46 To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Fisheye Filters There is room in the air space behind the supplied clear filter to drop in a circular cut gelatin filter. I have a gel filter kit that I used years ago on Angenieux cine zooms. There was a filter holder that capped the protruding rear group barrel on the tail-end of their zooms. Along with the supplied filter holders and storage tube that was part of the kit there was another storage tube for a stack of layered, circular cut gel filters and gel cutting tools that consisted of a tweezers to handle the gels, a firm rubber pad to cut the gels on, and a serrated circular punch die to pop the ideal filter out a square gel filter. You could get about nine filters out of a 3x3 inch gel I think. These punched out filters seem to be about ideal in diameter for the space in the 30mm Distagon. I have assembled this combination and things seem to fit but I haven't had time to shoot a test yet. I am interested in this approach because there are numerous filters - 81a, 85, Fl-A, etc. - that were never available in the supplied glass filters. I think that you could make a pattern to sandwich with paper and the gel and cut satisfactory gel filters like this with a small scissors. If there is an objectionable optical degredation in this it isn't visible in the viewfinder. If anyone tries this let me know how you liked the results. Tim Ellestad ----- Original Message ----- From: aghalide@xxxxxxx To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Fisheye Filters I can only guess it would be a problem. might be a problem you cannot see. ed -------------- Original message from "John Wild" <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: -------------- ........the world is still revolving then. ;-) Thanks Ed. Because the filter is part of the optical train, is the filter thickness critical or is it just the number of glass/air interfaces? I can machine a filter holder to insert the glass as opposed to destroying a rare Carl Zeiss filter if thickness is not an issue. John