Hi Emmanuel: I found the data in the Rollei Technical Report, thank you for your clarification about it. Carlos 2014-09-10 7:28 GMT-03:00 Bigler Emmanuel <bigler@xxxxxxxx>: > Thanks to Carlos, now we know the exact story. > > Sorry for the noise, since I made a wrong interpretation of what was > supposed to be (in French) a 'tirage optique' of 44.50 mm ; in French > usually "tirage optique' is "back focal distance" measured form the last > lens vertex; in German technical sheets the lats lens vertex is denoted by > S', and the back focal distance it is denoted by S'F' or S'A'_{infinity} but > in fact G. Métrot meant : position of bayonet lens seat measured _optically_ > by reference to the ground glass and not _mechanically_ by reference to the > pressure plate. This is completely different. > > Thanks again Carlos for the explanation ! Hence 44.50 is a measurement from > the lens bayonet seat to a ground glass plane located somewhere at the film > gate, and 44.67 is with reference to the film pressure plate (which actually > is not really in contact with the film, like in the Rollei TLR). > > So Dirk-Roger, forget about the "lens vertex" (the summit of the last lens > surface, on the optical axis, the glass part which is the closest to the > focal point) which is totally irrelevant here since various lenses of the > same mounts have their last lens element located at various places. In SLR > cameras, tele lenses usually have the last lens vertex deeply recessed > inside the lens mount, whereas for other lenses it can be very close to the > bayonet seat. > For example, in C-type Hasselblad 2.8-80 planars, two small protruding > crescent-shaped pieces of metal located around the last lens element are > required to protect the glass form scratches. And the back focal distance is > shorter than the flange focal distance since the 2.8-80 plabar lens slightly > enters inside the camera body. > > -- > Emmanuel > > > > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the > subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the > subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list